The Greyhound-Data Forum has been created to act as a platform for greyhound enthusiasts to share information on this magnificent animal called a greyhound.
Greyhound-Data reserve the right to remove any post that is off topic, advertisements or opinions they consider to be offensive.
If you answer then please try to stay on topic. It's absolutely okay to answer in a broader scope but don't hijack posts by switching to something off topic.
In case you see an insulting post: DO NOT REPLY TO IT!
Use the report button to inform the moderators so that we can delete it.
Pat Hennessy Australia (Verified User) Posts 1553 Dogs 6 / Races 6 05 Apr 2009 09:56
(0)
(0)
What entices them to the "Brekky Creek" and not the dogs 50 metres away ???
Find the answer and improve on it, problem solved.
Too easy, over to you Brian.
Happy Days.
Louise Inall Australia (Verified User) Posts 876 Dogs 31 / Races 0 05 Apr 2009 11:17
(0)
(0)
pat hennessy wrote:
What entices them to the "Brekky Creek" and not the dogs 50 metres away ???
Find the answer and improve on it, problem solved.
Too easy, over to you Brian.
Happy Days.
They need to improve on the food at albion i was there a couple of weeks ago and got a beef and gravy roll the meat was like chewing a gum boot and they need to reduce the price on the plated meals it is now $10.80 may aswell say close to $14 by the time u buy a drink
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 6026 Dogs 28 / Races 32 06 Apr 2009 00:26
(0)
(0)
pat hennessy wrote:
What entices them to the "Brekky Creek" and not the dogs 50 metres away ???
Find the answer and improve on it, problem solved.
Too easy, over to you Brian.
Happy Days.
A Brisbane landmark, a pub with Character and atmosphere, beer of the wood. Years ago they had great steaks, but like any good thing when every man and his dog jump on, the quality is surpassed by quantity. Still for a little extra you get a better meal then the 2 buck plate full at Albion. Groups have to book at the Creek, and many diners would either have a wait there or head of across the road to the wharf. They dont even know the dogs are there. Like the Creek or any other well known establishment, they've had to create their identity and promote their product. Exactly what the Brisbane, Gold Coast and Ipswich clubs need to do.
I wonder how sentimental the average blokes pocket is when it comes to eating at an establishment because it is a landmark.
I reckon our market is easily identified and the arrow of advertising should be aimed right at that demographic.
Without thinking to hard, make some Thursday's "HOTDOG" NIGHT, american themed food, pizza and burgers, make em big and cheap couple this with some beers and fast greyhounds they'll have a ball. Plus your menu does not compete with the Brekky creek.
It's not rocket science, the possibilities are endless because the vehicle is already in place. The venue, the staff, the drinks licence, the TAB, the location. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!Oh and did I mention the dogs also race on Thursday's?
BK
Sue Burley Australia (Verified User) Posts 5559 Dogs 10310 / Races 14781 06 Apr 2009 20:37
(0)
(0)
Hotdog night!!! Yuk. Just regular meals like they serve at pubs and clubs are what people want, but they have to be well priced, in fact bloody cheap, you have to give people a reason to go there. Make up the profits on the bar and on course tote. Free entry to all tracks is also a must, with the number of people attending tracks now that won't be too much of a loss.
And Albion Park should be competing with the Brekky Creek, that's what business is all about isn't it? They are a competitor and AP needs to attract some of their market.
What entices them to the "Brekky Creek" and not the dogs 50 metres away ???
Find the answer and improve on it, problem solved.
Too easy, over to you Brian.
Happy Days.
A Brisbane landmark, a pub with Character and atmosphere, beer of the wood. Years ago they had great steaks, but like any good thing when every man and his dog jump on, the quality is surpassed by quantity. Still for a little extra you get a better meal then the 2 buck plate full at Albion. Groups have to book at the Creek, and many diners would either have a wait there or head of across the road to the wharf. They dont even know the dogs are there. Like the Creek or any other well known establishment, they've had to create their identity and promote their product. Exactly what the Brisbane, Gold Coast and Ipswich clubs need to do.
Breakfast Creek Hotel speciality is Steak. When you order your steak, on display is the full range of steak cuts and types of beef available. You can see the Fresh, clean steaks in front of you and also choose a particular steak on display for yourself. The Brisbane and Ipswich clubs need to offer a fresh, clean, healthy menu when dining.Look at the fast food chains, they are turning to a healther menu (Subway, Mcdonalds). The other needs as Dan also suggested is Character and atmosphere. Looking at the dining areas for Ipswich and Albion, they both look very outdated and Old.All three areas of Excellent Food,Character and atmosphere need to be looked at. I saying all of this, i know it all costs MONEY and with the Russ Hinze stand needing to be demolished and a new track is required i know that dining experience is not top of the list requirement. But an overall plan should be put in place with small steps programmed in to reach the final goal- A Successful Money making Greyhound Club. Making money off high Drink,food and Tab sales just like any Pub does.
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 6026 Dogs 28 / Races 32 07 Apr 2009 00:17
(0)
(0)
If the participants in this state want the industry to go forward, then they must get behind their individual clubs. There is no point going ahead with the one complex if neither those from the respected clubs are for this. This is where the QGOBTA comes into play for the members, other then the registered clubs QGOBTA being the only recognised Qld body with GQL. This is where support through membership should be directed. GQL should be fully supportive of the clubs and their initiatives to stand alone in their own establishments, and to a prosperous future in the industry. If they cannot support the clubs then what are they doing there. You need to take the product to the people and cater for many, not cram it all into the one complex that will not suit many trainers, owners etc, and the public. One thing that needs to be addressed is the reason why the industry is in this awkward position in the first place. Tracks in other states have flourished with assistance from their governing bodies, and as we know it comes down to what products the clubs can put on and how the industry is handled in general. You'd be a fool to think those running the industry in this state are doing a great job. When clubs look to refurbishments, it is always the bar and dining that are completed first. With Albion, the bar takings have nil to do with the greyhound club, not sure about the dining. Ipswich lease their track so cannot refurbish their dining area or bar to attract that new custom. I saw somewhere i think in Vic, a new kennel block and clubhouse, to a tune of about 6mil. The industry here have 10 mil to go toward the establishment of a new track for the Gold Coast club as compensation. This is the first step in the right direction, and whatever proposals the GC club comes up with, the industry should listen. Not this negative attitude that the current board seem to have. That is the first step, other steps should be to establish the Brisbane and Ipswich clubs. We need to attract people into this industry, not toss them onto the junk pile. We also have several country tracks that should be looking at how to attract new patrons. Dining and entertainment is also what they need, and need the governing body behind this. But this will not happen as we will more than likely see two more tracks close in the near future. Support your local clubs and recognised bodies, and with good administration the future will look bright. The Brisbane and Ipswich clubs have tireless workers on the job, Gold Coast would prob be the same as with those in the country. They need your support.
Sue Burley Australia (Verified User) Posts 5559 Dogs 10310 / Races 14781 07 Apr 2009 00:42
(0)
(0)
Dan are you a member of the QGBOTA? And which clubs are you a member of?
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 6026 Dogs 28 / Races 32 07 Apr 2009 01:54
(0)
(0)
Sue, for any club to be successful you need membership, not to attack if someone is not a member. I am currently involved with two associated incorporations, and know what is involved from any executive position, so a bit of my time goes there. You have also seen my dad, whom you would not recognise now due to a mild stroke and whatever else he suffers from, so a lot of my time goes there. I am very devoted and passionate about my dogs, and until things change here and i am fully established i will be limited to what i can do, because at present i am a bit restricted. My involvement has had to be minimal, yet my support will be there for the right reasons. Everyone, myself included should all get behind their clubs.
Sue Burley Australia (Verified User) Posts 5559 Dogs 10310 / Races 14781 07 Apr 2009 04:59
(0)
(0)
Dan I wasn't having a go at you, just trying to point out that the majority of licencees are not members of a club and certainly not members of all clubs and as we know the GBOTA recently doubled their membership to about 60.
Should club members have the sole say on how racing is conducted at their track or should the opinions of other licencees who do visit, race and spend money at their track matter to them?
In the past there were many clubs who were run exactly to the wishes of their staff and members, that included free trials, food and booze, a favourable box draw and sometimes even the promise that you won't be swabbed. Thank God things have changed and clubs are now accountable to their greyhound authorities and have to present monthly accounts etc.
Back in the old days most working at the races were voluntary club members, even the Secretaries of the clubs were not paid, today they are all paid workers, and some very well paid. They are paid by their greyhound authorities to do their job, but it is the authorities role to oversee racing.
You may not like it but that's how it is, this is a multi-million dollar business and has to be run as such.
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 6026 Dogs 28 / Races 32 07 Apr 2009 05:28
(0)
(0)
Sue, all i am pointing out is clubs need a membership, the bigger that is, usually the bigger and better the club is. No, members dont have a say about the racing at their tracks, but it is their club and if they have put in an effort to see it become a success, then they would be content with that. Today, as i have stated we have the likes of Merv Page and Luke Gatehouse at the helm, we dont need to go back to the past and bring up shady operations, nor do you.
Hotdog night!!! Yuk. Just regular meals like they serve at pubs and clubs are what people want, but they have to be well priced, in fact bloody cheap, you have to give people a reason to go there. Make up the profits on the bar and on course tote. Free entry to all tracks is also a must, with the number of people attending tracks now that won't be too much of a loss.
And Albion Park should be competing with the Brekky Creek, that's what business is all about isn't it? They are a competitor and AP needs to attract some of their market.
Obviously you are not the target market for hotdog night!! This type of promotion would be centred around bringing new younger people to the track these nights. Just like a promotion night for Qld wines wouldn't appeal to the people coming on Hotdog night. Perhaps the $10.00 T.Bone chips salad and a beer would bring in a different customer again. Btw this is purely hypothetical rhetoric.
BK
Mal Dawson Australia (Verified User) Posts 5640 Dogs 27 / Races 65 07 Apr 2009 13:33
Jennifer Viles Australia (Verified User) Posts 859 Dogs 40 / Races 6 07 Apr 2009 19:57
(0)
(0)
Nuthin wrong with hotdog night ! :-)
Cheers Jenni
Jennifer Viles Australia (Verified User) Posts 859 Dogs 40 / Races 6 07 Apr 2009 20:01
(0)
(0)
you know it won't be long before theres no tracks except for the big MEGA track in logan for the convienece of those to lazy to travel or no racing at all in QLD
cheers Jenni
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 6026 Dogs 28 / Races 32 07 Apr 2009 20:30
(0)
(0)
Yes Mal, any thoughts on this. Seems broader Sky coverage means less tracks. You'd think with more coverage and Tab input, more would get involved. Local business sponsorship could rise and extra funds for clubs to refurbish to attract that elusive crowd. I wonder what the prizemoney at Cairns and Mackay would be like in comparison to fuel cost, beef and all those other rising costs that affect these people. And GQL chairperson has just admitted to sitting back watching clubs struggle, with the odd pat on the back here and there for encouragement. You have got to laugh. The chairperson then goes on to say "These moves will ensure the industry's continued viability and growth." What growth have we seen the last 10 or so years, none what so ever. Track closures is all that has been seen while participants leave the industry, and wait a few more years and Rocky and Bundy will be gone also. One track in sth Qld, one in the nth, the guts ripped clean out of the industry. I suppose the nth have the supporters for racing out of the one complex and ruin the livelyhoods and much loved pastimes of many, just like the supporters here in the sth. "These moves will ensure the industry's continued viability and growth," she said. What a sentence, its not feasible to continue running a club if its never going to come out in front, but growth, the industry has failed miserably here in Qld because the current board have executed little other then a bit of monitoring. Its a real pity Qld have lost direction over the last decade or so, and should take a leaf out of other states book like Vic, where they have mentioned the taking over of clubs in need. Anyways, we knew it was coming, and you can bet whatever monies that were allocated to both clubs, wont be going to Townsville, Rocky or Bundy.
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 6026 Dogs 28 / Races 32 07 Apr 2009 20:41
CAIRNS AND MACKAY GREYHOUND CLUBS ISSUED FORMAL LETTER TO SHOW CAUSE
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 6026 Dogs 28 / Races 32 08 Apr 2009 08:11
(0)
(0)
Sue lets not forget the racing act requires this board of dictators to ensure policies are in place for good management of the industry. This includes development re racing, training and public interest. You may not have noticed on another site, Edna reminded us just how many have been lost to the industry from this mismanagement. I dont think Edna would mind me puting her words here. Since Kerry Watson started her vendetta against the Clubs we have gone from 7000 licencees to approx 1500 or less. We have gone from fighting to get a start with 6 TAB tracks to nominations being extended on a weekly basis on 2 TAB tracks.
A couple of other points raised on AGF were,
1. I am of the understanding that Townsville has limited time left at their current venue at the showgrounds ? What happens then ?, goodbye FNQ Greys altogether
2. Closing clubs has never increased the number of licencees by consolidating the industry. Historically people have tended to leave the industry once the track within their region was closed.
3. If one judged, should a club survive on the number of participants within the region then Albion Park would be number one to close, Beenleigh had probably the highest number of participants within 10kms of the club and was still closed. This is a very silly argument to put forward that Cairns & Mackay have been asked to show cause on.
People need to look a bit deeper and realize why the industry is in its current position. You cannot lay blame to clubs with limited resources when the current board does nothing positive in any form for this industry. There are requirements under the act that they have not adhered to. If participants wish to support this board and their ideas, then they are digging the hole to bury the state of racing. One track is definately going backward, but i suppose most are used to that now and will depart the industry also in the not to distant future.
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 6026 Dogs 28 / Races 32 24 Apr 2009 01:50
(0)
(0)
No updates other then the second phase go ahead with Cronulla Park. More testing etc and dollars spent, and going by the GQL chair, for the new Gold Coast clubs track. Have been in contact with the EPA re another issue though will be interesting to hear their findings on this matter.
Sue Burley Australia (Verified User) Posts 5559 Dogs 10310 / Races 14781 24 Apr 2009 03:23
(0)
(0)
Word is that something was found in the last tests that just couldn't have been down there from the time the tip closed but rather would have to have been poured down quite recently, suggestions of a bit of sabbotage occurring. This will not stop Cronulla Park going ahead but will cost the industry more money for the further tests. Seems some will go to any lengths regardless of the cost to the industry in the long run.
Do you have questions about greyhound racing?
