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Darren Crates Australia (Verified User) Posts 40 Dogs 10 / Races 1 12 Sep 2009 06:17
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wayne garner wrote:
ian,, it would have to b worth around $30 million,, just the way it is,, it could be developed into millions of $$$$ of town house;s just like next door, cant see tweed closing any time in the next 5-10yrs, in time it will be the MECA of greyhound racing,, it just needs to be TAB and aload to develop, best track in aust,,just need loam,, and the troting track to b removed, take care cheers wayne
You have got to be kidding wayne tweed has been dieing a slow death for some time they use to open on a wednesday for betting it now is only open on saturday and is going backwards every year the place is physically rotting away they have lost ten meetings a year and they are going no where i recond grafton wil go ahead if they can get tab that will be the death of tweed imo
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 6026 Dogs 28 / Races 32 13 Sep 2009 08:07
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The Qld Premier has had to deal with embarrassing situations in the past, this Traverston Dam will be another and will no doubt affect Cronulla Park.
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 6026 Dogs 28 / Races 32 25 Sep 2009 22:24
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After hearing what club delegates(class A members)had to say, it was quite clear and to the many others who were in attendance that the class B members are doing their best to withold clas A voting rights. I think its time for class A members to hold their meetings, as per GQL constitution, and mark them in their calander on a regular basis. If the class A members set out 4 meetings per year, directly following their meetings with their respected clubs, they can from here send notice of a general meeting of GQL members. These quarterly meetings should be adequate in gathering feedback and other relevent information relating to the queensland industry as per the role of club delegates. Class A members should supply each club with agenda items for future meetings of GQL members, considering dates for voting to take place on such matters or resolutions. Once the relevent information is recieved from clubs, a class A meeting is held with formal notice sent to the board re a general meeting, including items and or resolutions to be tabled. These general meetings must be held within 2 months of receiving a requisition in writing from at least 75% of the Class A Members, at the cost of the Company. At present there are 5 class A delegates representing the clubs, with 4 class B members. 2 items on the agenda should be the FOL and Cronulla Park. Please add other items of interest as class A members will read these postings and is a good information server. The only way for Qld to go forward is with all clubs inline with each other and delegates recieving the feedback desired.
Sue Burley Australia (Verified User) Posts 5559 Dogs 10310 / Races 14781 25 Sep 2009 22:58
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After hearing what club delegates(class A members)had to say, it was quite clear and to the many others who were in attendance that the class B members are doing their best to withold clas A voting rights.
In attendance where Dan?
Dan the problem seems to be that it is the Class A members do not understand the Constitution, are they waiting to be invited to a meeting? The Constitution clearly states that the Class A members can call a general meeting as you have shown in your post. I agree with you that the Class A members should discuss any concerns with the members they represent and request a general meeting putting those concerns on the agenda, why don't they do it? Maybe it is up to the members that they represent to ask their Class A Member to request a general meeting.
And as far as how many Class A and Class B members there are it doesn't matter as they each have one collective vote, which means that if there are 102 Board members (Class B Members) and only 2 Class A Members each Class have to agree on one vote. If those two votes are the same it is carried, if not they are sent back to discuss it further, pretty much the same as the jury system.
I think when everyone can understand the new Constitution we can use for what it was set out to achieve, and that was to give the owners/trainers/breeders a voice but at present it is not being utilised by our Class A Members.
Oh and there are not 5 Class A Members Dan, there are 6, not that that matters as stated above, it doesn't matter if it's 106 they still only get one collective vote as does the Board. Cairns Townsville Rockhampton, Bunderberg, Capalaba (combined) Ipswich Brisbane QGBOTA
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 6026 Dogs 28 / Races 32 25 Sep 2009 23:26
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Sue class A members do understand the constitution, remember it was class B who didnt realise this vote was going ahead at a previous meeting and had to seek legal advice.
As for the numbers of class members, i forgot to count the Brisbane delegate, how silly of me. And yes they all get one vote, they and we all know this. That is why the class A members must meet to agree on resolutions and matters affecting this state. If this is carried out then the vote will be in favour 6 to 4. The chair has a casting vote other than specific resolutions as described under the constitution.
In the end, it will come down to the members and their delegates following through with the right vote. We cannot have delegates voting in favour of the board for favours now can we.
Sue Burley Australia (Verified User) Posts 5559 Dogs 10310 / Races 14781 26 Sep 2009 00:14
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Dan hollywood wrote:
If this is carried out then the vote will be in favour 6 to 4. The chair has a casting vote other than specific resolutions as described under the constitution.
In the end, it will come down to the members and their delegates following through with the right vote. We cannot have delegates voting in favour of the board for favours now can we.
No Dan, as I have just explained it will not be 6 to 4 as each class of member has only 1 collective vote each so the result could only be 1 for 1 against, both in favour or both against.
Class A Voting Right means, subject to this Constitution, the right of all Class A Members to exercise one collective vote on Members resolutions in accordance with the processes set out in this Constitution.
Class B Voting Right means the right of all Class B Members to exercise one collective vote on Members resolutions in accordance with the processes set out in this Constitution.
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 6026 Dogs 28 / Races 32 26 Sep 2009 00:23
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That would be a strange way for a meeting of 10 members to vote,lol. 10 hands would go up for either for or against, not 2 as you seem to think. Its plain in both cases of class voting rights as you clearly posted. All class A members to exercise one vote All class B members to exercise one vote
Sue Burley Australia (Verified User) Posts 5559 Dogs 10310 / Races 14781 26 Sep 2009 00:36
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No Dan I clearly posted one COLLECTIVE vote.
Collective - A noun that denotes a collection of persons or things regarded as a unit.
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 6026 Dogs 28 / Races 32 26 Sep 2009 00:39
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Yes Sue, each member has one collective voted, all 10 votes are collected and counted.
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 6026 Dogs 28 / Races 32 26 Sep 2009 00:46
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Sue, why then did a board member stand up at the last members meeting saying "if you dont vote such and such in, the board will elect him anyway". Why, because they were out numbered in the voting department.
Class A members turned the heat up in regard to their voting rights, and a few didnt like it.
Sue Burley Australia (Verified User) Posts 5559 Dogs 10310 / Races 14781 26 Sep 2009 00:49
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Again we'll have to agree to disagree on the interpretation Dan lol.
I should imagine it has been constructed that way to make it fairer, one vote is the Board the other vote is representative of owners/trainers/breeders.
How would you feel if in the future we are left with only one track which would mean the A Class Members would then consist of two, that track and the QGBOTA, would it then be fair that owners/trainers/breeders had two votes against the Board's 4? No they would still have one vote each.
Sue Burley Australia (Verified User) Posts 5559 Dogs 10310 / Races 14781 26 Sep 2009 00:55
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Dan hollywood wrote:
Sue, why then did a board member stand up at the last members meeting saying "if you dont vote such and such in, the board will elect him anyway". Why, because they were out numbered in the voting department.
Class A members turned the heat up in regard to their voting rights, and a few didnt like it.
Dan you are quoting hearsay unless you were at the meeting to elect a Director.
And yes I heard the same hearsay as you spoken by one of the Class A Member Reps at the recent QGBOTA meeting but what I didn't understand was that we were told the Board's choice was Jeremy Turner, so are you saying that is the reason that the Class A Members voted for him, because they were told the Board would vote him in anyway? If they wanted to turn up the heat in regard to their voting rights wouldn't they have voted for one of the other two candidates rather than the Board's choice? I'm rather confused there.
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 6026 Dogs 28 / Races 32 26 Sep 2009 00:56
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11 Voting Rights of Members
The Members of each class of Members shall determine how the Authorised Representative of that class of Members is to exercise their Class Voting Right on any resolution of Members.
Say to vote on the FOL for class 2 and 3 meetings. The Brisbane club delegate may vote for this motion The QGOBTA delegate may vote against, and so on.
This is why they should meet prior to any resolution of members and to decide what is right for the industry. Maybe you should tell your mate on the board to go seek more legal advice.
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 6026 Dogs 28 / Races 32 26 Sep 2009 00:58
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Its not hearsay, the bloke that stood up had no knowledge that a vote was called that day.
Sue Burley Australia (Verified User) Posts 5559 Dogs 10310 / Races 14781 26 Sep 2009 01:03
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Let's quote the Constitution Dan
11 Voting Rights of Members
11.1 Number and use of Class Voting Rights Subject to clause 11.3, at a meeting of Members: (a) the Class A Members have a Class A Voting Right; and (b) the Class B Members have a Class B Voting Right, (each a Class Voting Right).
The Members of each class of Members shall determine how the Authorised Representative of that class of Members is to exercise their Class Voting Right on any resolution of Members.
That means each Class of Member, Class A and Class B must elect an Authorised Representative, those Authorised Representatives then have one vote each on behalf of their class of members.
Sue Burley Australia (Verified User) Posts 5559 Dogs 10310 / Races 14781 26 Sep 2009 01:04
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Dan hollywood wrote:
Its not hearsay, the bloke that stood up had no knowledge that a vote was called that day.
Dan it was hearsay for both you and I as we were not at the meeting to elect a Director.
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 6026 Dogs 28 / Races 32 26 Sep 2009 01:25
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Sue Burley wrote:
Dan hollywood wrote:
Its not hearsay, the bloke that stood up had no knowledge that a vote was called that day.
Dan it was hearsay for both you and I as we were not at the meeting to elect a Director.
So what you are saying is the two member reps were spreading gossip
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 6026 Dogs 28 / Races 32 26 Sep 2009 01:35
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My appologies Sue.
12 Authorised Representative (a) Each class of Members may appoint and remove from time to time one Authorised Representative by notice in writing to the Company Secretary. (b) The Authorised Representative of the Class A Members shall be selected by ordinary resolution of the Member Representatives. (c) The Authorised Representative of the Class B Members shall be selected by ordinary resolution of the Class B Members
Sue Burley Australia (Verified User) Posts 5559 Dogs 10310 / Races 14781 26 Sep 2009 01:46
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Dan hollywood wrote:
Sue Burley wrote:
Dan hollywood wrote:
Its not hearsay, the bloke that stood up had no knowledge that a vote was called that day.
Dan it was hearsay for both you and I as we were not at the meeting to elect a Director.
So what you are saying is the two member reps were spreading gossip
You may think it was spreading gossip Dan but what I said was as far as we are concerned it was hearsay as we did not attend the meeting of the election for a Director.
Sue Burley Australia (Verified User) Posts 5559 Dogs 10310 / Races 14781 26 Sep 2009 01:52
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Dan what it boils down to is that if you have any concerns with the industry, send them to the QGBOTA to be included on the agenda at the next meeting, then at the meeting ask the Member Rep to arrange a meeting with the Board to discuss those concerns. As I have said the Constitution is written to give owners/trainers/breeders a say but at present that option is not being utilised.
Do you have questions about greyhound racing?
