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Sue Burley Australia (Verified User) Posts 5559 Dogs 10310 / Races 14781 04 Oct 2008 10:26
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This may be of interest, it is an estimate cost of setting up Cronulla Park for the Rugby Union Club, it is dated August 2005.
Indicative Cost of Cronulla Park Concept Master Plan The estimated cost of the capital items shown on the concept master plan is $3 711 956 as detailed in Table 2 below. The cost estimates should be read in conjunction with the notes set out at Appendix 2.
Table 2: Estimated costs for capital items identified in the concept master plan Item and Cost Site clearance and preparation $10 000 Shape, profile, top dress and turf sports fields $504 000 Fencing $8 000 Lighting to sports fields $120 000 Install watering points to fields $50 400 Road works $93 100 Car parks $890 000 Clubhouse & grandstand facilities $855 000 Pathways (2.0m width) within and to perimeter of site $94 850 Erosion control to drain $10 000 Reconstruction of gas monitoring outlets $20 000 Supply and install precinct entry signage x 2 $40 000 Supply and install minor park signage x 1 $10 000 Landscaping $150 000 Sub Total $2 855 350 Preliminaries (5%) $142 768 Contingency (20%) $571 070 Design Fees (5%) $142 768 Total $3 711 956 Optional: Community facilities $2 565 000
6.2 Appendix 2 Basis of Cost Estimates In developing the cost estimates for capital works at each of the Parks the following assumptions have been used: * Estimates include contingency sum of 20% * Estimates include a cost for the rectification of issues and defects identified in the condition audit * No allowance has been made for the provision of trunk services to each site, nor for the upgrade of services where current infrastructure is inadequate (e.g. electricity or sewer) * Latent site conditions may affect the estimates * An allowance has been made for general park landscaping only * Estimates are subject to detailed scoping, analysis and site investigation * No allowance has been made for project management, site investigation or other detailed planning requirements.
Brian Young Australia (Verified User) Posts 817 Dogs 103 / Races 76 04 Oct 2008 10:29
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Thank you Sue and Brian K for your comments i am sure we are all learning more already. It is no use continuing to persue something if due diligence is suggesting things are not as they seem. What is the due diligence revelling that we need know about? Lets get it thrashed out so as we can either move on or other wise. There seems some dispute about the $40,000 pa on the towers please can someone clarify this one way or another.
Sheryl Clark Australia (Verified User) Posts 777 Dogs 16 / Races 1 04 Oct 2008 10:30
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brian,why could you not join the owner breeders trainers ass, instead of setting up another,spliting committees up and acting like some secret ass? alot of people have comented about that.
mal
Sue Burley Australia (Verified User) Posts 5559 Dogs 10310 / Races 14781 04 Oct 2008 10:36
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Totally agree Malcolm, from what I hear all of the positions on the GBOTA are there for the taking if someone with the industry's best interests at heart puts their hand up.
If the watchdog committee had have stood for those positions the GBOTA would have attracted new members to the tune of what were there years ago and all of this would be discussed at open meetings. Then we may just move forward.
Brian Young Australia (Verified User) Posts 817 Dogs 103 / Races 76 04 Oct 2008 10:39
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Im sorry Malcome to have upset you. I do not even know who i am talking to. I felt they were just obvious questions that every other than myself would know the answer to but it seems that even people that are on these committees have a problem sorting the fact from fiction. I only play around with a couple of dogs and what ever happens does not greatly worry me but i felt as an outsider i may be able to help get a list of facts together. I quess i had best keep out of itas there seems to be more to it than meets the eye probably from past conflicts within the industry that i am unaware of.
I didn't say the GOBTA doesn,t play a role, I said I believed the watchdog plays a different role and I also believe this, if some think they are not informed now, they would be far less informed without it.
BK
Sheryl Clark Australia (Verified User) Posts 777 Dogs 16 / Races 1 04 Oct 2008 10:59
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BK DO YOU HAVE SOME SELF INTREST IN THIS OR DONT YOU LIKE ANY ONE THAT IS CONECTED TO THE GOBTA.
Brian Young Australia (Verified User) Posts 817 Dogs 103 / Races 76 04 Oct 2008 11:12
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Does GBOTA want to move to Logan? What is the due diligence revelling that we need know about? Lets get it thrashed out so as we can either move on or other wise. There seems some dispute about the $40,000 pa on the towers please can someone clarify this one way or another. In the scheme of things i know it is not that big a deal but is this fact or not?
Sheryl Clark Australia (Verified User) Posts 777 Dogs 16 / Races 1 04 Oct 2008 11:15
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BK, if you are genuine,joining the GBOTA And participating for the betterment of greyhounds in qld would be the way to go. do you have any clues now.
mal
Sue Burley Australia (Verified User) Posts 5559 Dogs 10310 / Races 14781 04 Oct 2008 11:18
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Brian Y, the $40,000 per annun upkeep figure was published in the watchdog committee newsletter, they should be able to tell you where they got it from?
No I dont have any self interest in this, and i don't think there is anyone i dont like on the GOBTA, there are very few people in this world i don't like actually.
Obviously this is a very sensitive and emotional time for Qld greyhound participants which is completely understandable.
Mal, I am still clueless as to what would motivate you to make such comments, anyway i'm sure you know.
Good night all
BK
Sheryl Clark Australia (Verified User) Posts 777 Dogs 16 / Races 1 04 Oct 2008 11:53
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BK, QLD greyhounds dont need splinter groups,they need uniformity,your group i beleive is not recognised by the powers to be greyhounds qld, i own a few greyhounds, and as an owner i want to see progress,like us all, and i can not see what you hope to acheive by having a splinter group.
mal
Brian Young Australia (Verified User) Posts 817 Dogs 103 / Races 76 04 Oct 2008 16:49
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I am starting to get a clearer picture of the problems that are underming the industry. There does seem to be very little trust in the actions taken by members as everybody seems to think that someone else knows more than they do. In reality it appears that there are very few facts and a lot of misleading comments Brian K. a statement like (The logan proposition is still being investigated and due diligence maybe starting to show it may not be the best situation for us. IMO) and then appear reluctant to state what is being flagged as undesirable does create problems. Surely someone from GOTBA can answer if it has been decided to move to Logan all things being favorable. Brian K i take it that it is factual evidence that these towers do cost $40,000 per annum to maintain. I
Mal Dawson Australia (Verified User) Posts 5640 Dogs 27 / Races 65 04 Oct 2008 17:10
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malcolm mccabe wrote:
BK, QLD greyhounds dont need splinter groups,they need uniformity,your group i beleive is not recognised by the powers to be greyhounds qld, i own a few greyhounds, and as an owner i want to see progress,like us all, and i can not see what you hope to acheive by having a splinter group.
mal
Well then MALCOLM you are probably the right bloke to ask, can you tell us what the GBOTA has done in making sure we have a future in GREYHOUND racing in QLD. love to know more of what the GBOTA does and wat its goals are and what resolutions they have found for the predicament we are currently in. could you tell me wat discussions the GBOTA have had with QGL on where our future lies, time frames and interim measures. Can you also let us know what discussions the GBOTA have had with any local shires, ministers and the like to see if theres anything they table back to the QGL........... OR is this secret womens business. Sue i got a copy of the watchdog nl from CAPALABA today and it made very interesting reading. MAL we as stakeholders have full right to get answers from QGL and if that means 50 people united ask questions or every individual stakeholder these question should be answered. QGL is appointed to look after the best interests of greyhound racing in this state and they presently doing absolutely nothing to safe guard our interests. i couldnt give a flying F##K weather its GBOTA, PGF, BUTT, QGFL, ABCD or any other stakeholder group that tries to get things moving as long as they are trying to keep QGL accountable for why they are still sitting on there hands. it doesnt take a rocket scientist to know we need another track open in the interim regardless of where we go and the costs involved. at this present time the problem is not where we build an empire for the QGL but safe guarding our future. Brian Terry made a good point about getting some TAB meetings in the bush, these sorts of things should have been happening 5-10 yrs ago when clubs started to close. i dont believe country racing should get any of our existing time slots but we should be pushing to get a separate time slot for at least one club up north. QGL have sat on there arsk for to long letting greyhound racing fall into a sh#theap and have achieved very little for he better ment of this sport since ive been in the game. We have lost SAT night racing, they allowed non penalty racing, we now have a race meeting starting at 8pm, we have lost BEEN, TOOW, GC and nothing done about maintaining a growth in this industry. if they were CEO of any other company they would have gone yrs ago, we now have a new leadership with once again no commitment to growing and safeguarding our sport........... and your worry is weather the GBOTA gets any recognition, well theyve been sitting there through all this mess, and fighting over who should represent the stakeholders will do nothing to helping an outcome. as far as see it the QGWC have got the ball rolling so i suggest the GBOTA get fully behind them and offer as much help as they can as 'many hands make light work'.
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 6026 Dogs 28 / Races 32 04 Oct 2008 19:25
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The QGBOTA, is the association that all participants should get behind, as they are the only association recognised by GQL. They have a mission, though maybe because of lack of members, dont have the passion to drive it. Maybe a clean-up there is on the cards, and with a new directive in place, a brighter future could be seen. Members that frequent forums like these would be desirable as they wish to see the industry grow and thrive, though not just in the south east but all of Qld. GQL may pannick if a huge takeover and explosion of membershipship took place.
Brian Young Australia (Verified User) Posts 817 Dogs 103 / Races 76 04 Oct 2008 20:37
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Dan from what i see to date this seems to be a very sensiblke idea. Members of the QGBOTA if recognised by GQL would have the right to know exactly what is happening and they should be demanding answers one by one of GQL untill the picture is clear. I can understand the GQL not wishing to spend time explaining to all and sundry. It seems the watch dog team should be presenting their greviences to or through QGBOTA so as there is some alignment in the industry.
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