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Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 07 Aug 2017 12:06
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
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rob wall wrote:
why cant the put someone in the catching pen for every race with a big toy on a lead and pull it along like they do in vic, dogs are still fighting and not chasing it happen in my race the other night, they have had the finish on lure going for months it has helped a bit
Rob, It must be going on 4 years now since I approached a few clubs in regards to SOMETHING being offered in the pen for the dogs to focus on, rather than the NECK of another dog.
NO-ONE, I mean NO-ONE would listen! No initiative has been made to do ANYTHING. How many dogs have lost confidence going into the "FIGHTING PEN"? The "FIGHTING PEN" is the catalyst to non-chasing and fighting in races as some become too frightened to go in there after being MAULED a few times and you can see them start to ease more and more BEFORE the "FIGHTING PEN" until they do it before the winning post and get pinged for FTP. Some decide to get in early and SAVAGE others before the "FIGHTING PEN" and get pinged for marring. Deadset joke and it does not take much nous to work it out....No, just carry on as usual and she'll be right, mate. My idea was to have multiple suspended squeakers in the pen so the pack splits and focuses on them. I believe SA now have something similar...I think in the hills of Pakistan they have realised that the dogs need something to focus on...not here though. The FOL was well and truly trialled in QLD for 2 YEARS!...STOP IT!
It really is now a matter of duty of care and implementing commonsense to give the dogs SOMETHING...whether in the pen or on the arm. Finish on trials (muzzle off) need to be introduced to Ipswich as well, preferably with a sheep skin. Stop the rot and start the commonsense because the racing pool is getting smaller and smaller and every dog counts! I'm amazed no-one has challenged a conviction of marring or FTP on the grounds of restriction of trade or possible contravention of the racing act.
Some should hang their heads in shame. It's not the dog's fault...it's THEIRS.
My next puppy will be named..."FIGHTING PEN".
Fantastic post Michael
Cheers Sandro. Just thinking out loud through frustration. I feel like shaking someone. They are doing studies on chase motivation...perhaps they could extend that to include motivation NOT to chase.
Kev Galloway Australia (Verified User) Posts 2447 Dogs 5 / Races 0 11 Aug 2017 07:39
TIME FOR THE GALLOPS TO HAVE A SAY ON FUTURE OF ALBION PARK?
THE Brisbane City Council stance on the future of the Albion Park complex suggests that body is more a protector of the racing industry as a whole in this State than those supposedly responsible at Racing Queensland.
According to a report by PETER CAMERON in THE SUNDAY MAIL, RQ is exploring legal avenues to fight Brisbane City Council after its decision to block the redevelopment of Albion Park, claiming this would threaten the sports financial future.
Cameron reports that the potential legal stoush comes as the Albion Park Harness Racing Club, which is RQs tenant, launched a publicity campaign for its own proposal to preserve racing at the prime inner-city site.
RQ, the governing body of all three racing codes, wants to end nearly 150 years of racing at Albion Park and develop a $250 million mixed commercial, residential and retail hub.
RQ had reportedly asked the BCC to judge its application on a superseded neighborhood plan which did not require an element of sport and recreation to take place at the site.
Cameron reports that the APHRC has opposed the removal of racing from the old Creek and lobbied the Council over the past fortnight to reject the RQ plan.
In rejecting the application on Friday, BCC Planning Chairman Julian Simmonds said: The entire Queensland racing fraternity needs to speak as one voice on the future of Albion Park.
An RQ spokesman said the organization would discuss its options with legal advisers and was seeking an urgent meeting with the BCC to clarify the Councils position.
The Sunday Mail revelation has received a mixed response from the industry. Some are questioning how the major club of a code that many believe relies on more than its share of industry funding at the expense of the gallops and greyhounds can afford to place costly full page advertisements in a major metropolitan newspaper for what is nothing more than political purposes.
Others say the hand of the harness racing God in Kevin Seymour has pressured the Council into making its decision but question whether he wants to see the commercial development proceed at Albion and if he has an involvement. They also want to know whether he backs the APHRC stance on the track being retained as the home of harness racing or wants racing to be moved to another purpose built venue.
Whatever side of the fence stakeholders and the racing public sit there is one general consensus of opinion and that is wholehearted support for the BCC suggestion that the entire racing industry in Queensland not just the trots needs to have a voice on the future of Albion Park.
Simply leaving this to RQ or the BCC or the APHRC is not good enough lets get some input from the gallops fraternity after all it is that code that many believe is financing the future of harness racing in Queensland and has done so for far too long.
I'll have to come back and post some thoughts...ATM, I'm simply numb.
Because Racing QLD are dominated by the thoroughbred code,they dare not attempt to sell off the biggest white elephant,Deagon should be the FIRST Racing Qld asset to be disposed of if there was half a brain within the Racing Qld Board.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 11 Aug 2017 09:43
3. GA Animal Welfare Working Party (Invite only...Grey2k and AA surely?)
4. GA Board Meeting (Love to go to that one)
5. Inaugural GCA AGM
AGRA is no more, replaced by GCA (Greyhound Clubs Australia) GCA - "The new organisation is now a fully representative body of all greyhound racing clubs in Australia. We are taking on a new look, a new way of operation and aim to ensure a vibrant and sustainable greyhound racing industry."
Anyone know about the GCA and what the 'new way of operation' is?
Michael Floyd Australia (Verified User) Posts 803 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Aug 2017 00:44
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AGRA is made up of the metro clubs. GCA will be open to all clubs across the country and speak on their behalf on issues affecting those clubs. It will also be resourced properly to ensure it carry out that function
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 12 Aug 2017 11:44
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Michael Floyd wrote:
AGRA is made up of the metro clubs. GCA will be open to all clubs across the country and speak on their behalf on issues affecting those clubs. It will also be resourced properly to ensure it carry out that function
Ok, thanks Michael. Let's hope they are resourced enough to push agendas that need addressing to full effect. Wouldn't it be great if they could combine with an entity that had more resources to hammer home issues that concerned the industry as a whole and therefore help the clubs as well.
Kev Galloway Australia (Verified User) Posts 2447 Dogs 5 / Races 0 14 Aug 2017 03:34
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Well John I wish you all the best in your fight but I think the Industry will need more than 40c a week from participants to recover what has been lost.
I was once a member of the GBOTA and other Industry Groups and I realise they are trying to fight the fight ; but until we get a Racing Minister who has clout in Goverment , who cares about our industry and who is willing to put the cleaners through some of our dead head administrators aligned to anti's at RQ and QRIC I'm afraid I can't see any light at the end of the tunnel. But Good Luck
The extension of the FOL fake trial at Albion Park proves Racing Qld and the Integrity Commission are not sincere,the FOL if FINALLY introduced probably won't include Ipswich let alone be statewide as it needs to be.the thoroughbreds and Animals Australia have too much influence about greyhound welfare in both Qld and Australia via the administration of Greyhounds Australasia.the FOL would destroy Greyhounds Australasias greyhound wasteage and breeding impediment programs.JMO.
Michael Floyd Australia (Verified User) Posts 803 Dogs 0 / Races 0 14 Aug 2017 04:09
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Michael Geraghty wrote:
Ok, thanks Michael. Let's hope they are resourced enough to push agendas that need addressing to full effect. Wouldn't it be great if they could combine with an entity that had more resources to hammer home issues that concerned the industry as a whole and therefore help the clubs as well.
That's the intention. The clubs speak on behalf of their members, GCA speaks on behalf of the clubs.
Kev Galloway Australia (Verified User) Posts 2447 Dogs 5 / Races 0 14 Aug 2017 05:40
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Michael Floyd wrote:
Michael Geraghty wrote:
Ok, thanks Michael. Let's hope they are resourced enough to push agendas that need addressing to full effect. Wouldn't it be great if they could combine with an entity that had more resources to hammer home issues that concerned the industry as a whole and therefore help the clubs as well.
That's the intention. The clubs speak on behalf of their members, GCA speaks on behalf of the clubs.
IF the clubs were fair dinkum,they would get rid of their anti- greyhound welfare corner starts,the clubs are a major problem,both metropolitan clubs in Qld have notorious anti welfare starts.And BOTH easily rectified,get rid of their catching (mauling) pens and install sprint starts diagonally opposite the 520 starts.too easy?
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 14 Aug 2017 08:19
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Michael Floyd wrote:
Michael Geraghty wrote:
Ok, thanks Michael. Let's hope they are resourced enough to push agendas that need addressing to full effect. Wouldn't it be great if they could combine with an entity that had more resources to hammer home issues that concerned the industry as a whole and therefore help the clubs as well.
That's the intention. The clubs speak on behalf of their members, GCA speaks on behalf of the clubs.
"GCA speaks on behalf of the clubs,"
Do you know WHO they speak to, Michael?
Michael Floyd Australia (Verified User) Posts 803 Dogs 0 / Races 0 15 Aug 2017 00:32
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Whoever they need to on matters that affect its member clubs.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 15 Aug 2017 12:47
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That's a nice chain of command but unfortunately the first link is the weakest sometimes.
Let's hope GA isn't one they need to speak to, to uphold their charter.
Graham Haswell Australia (Verified User) Posts 50 Dogs 1 / Races 5 15 Aug 2017 19:31
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Michael When our industry was thriving we didn't have or need all the so called experts and associations alongside the chain of command you speak of. What we had in Qld and elsewhere was a administrative body who drove the Industry forward by good governance and staff with our industry at heart. We weren't aligned to the other codes administratively or "running as one" what bullshit. !! All that has done is bleed us dry. There was a 5 member Greyhound Board running the show with Greyhound Industry, Business and Goverment nominees on the Board running the show. one thing they had in common was they all wanted our industry to be successful.
Bring back Big Russ !! .
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 16 Aug 2017 00:19
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Graham Haswell wrote:
Michael When our industry was thriving we didn't have or need all the so called experts and associations alongside the chain of command you speak of. What we had in Qld and elsewhere was a administrative body who drove the Industry forward by good governance and staff with our industry at heart. We weren't aligned to the other codes administratively or "running as one" what bullshit. !! All that has done is bleed us dry. There was a 5 member Greyhound Board running the show with Greyhound Industry, Business and Goverment nominees on the Board running the show. one thing they had in common was they all wanted our industry to be successful.
Bring back Big Russ !! .
Good old days, Big G. Unfortunately these days we have a lot of termites and fire ants. Termites eat away at structures and fire ants are nasty little suckers that can actually kill. May the acid rain fall upon those little critter's heads. You need to open up the skies, Big G.
Truck Mcnamara Australia (Verified User) Posts 563 Dogs 3 / Races 0 17 Aug 2017 04:34
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with the bundy dogs called off last week is rql going to give an xtra metting or just keep the money as per usual. i don't no wat the process is to get the xtra meet but i would gather the president would have to apply to rql,anyone no wat happens in these cases?
Brian Terry Australia (Verified User) Posts 735 Dogs 36 / Races 5 17 Aug 2017 22:12
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From what I know Truck they are to get another race day. When that is, I havent heard.
Truck Mcnamara Australia (Verified User) Posts 563 Dogs 3 / Races 0 17 Aug 2017 23:08
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Brian Terry wrote:
From what I know Truck they are to get another race day. When that is, I havent heard.
thanks brian,i just thought rql would pocket the money. plenty of satys up there to pick from.
Cynthia Suttle Australia (Verified User) Posts 195 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Aug 2017 00:17
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kev galloway wrote:
Graham Haswell wrote:
Well John I wish you all the best in your fight but I think the Industry will need more than 40c a week from participants to recover what has been lost.
I was once a member of the GBOTA and other Industry Groups and I realise they are trying to fight the fight ; but until we get a Racing Minister who has clout in Goverment , who cares about our industry and who is willing to put the cleaners through some of our dead head administrators aligned to anti's at RQ and QRIC I'm afraid I can't see any light at the end of the tunnel. But Good Luck
The extension of the FOL fake trial at Albion Park proves Racing Qld and the Integrity Commission are not sincere,the FOL if FINALLY introduced probably won't include Ipswich let alone be statewide as it needs to be.the thoroughbreds and Animals Australia have too much influence about greyhound welfare in both Qld and Australia via the administration of Greyhounds Australasia.the FOL would destroy Greyhounds Australasias greyhound wasteage and breeding impediment programs.JMO.
Kev. Whilst I respect your opinion on the FOL (and you know mine differs) the stats don't add up. Firstly, last Wednesday in Race 1 at AP the field crashed into the FOL resulting in one greyhound (which finished second by the way) breaking her front leg and another greyhound breaking his tail. The stewards report states that both dogs were injured in running - incorrect - their injuries were a direct result of the FOL. Secondly, are the stats being taken for all tracks? If they are, they shouldn't be - Ipswich doesn't have the FOL. Also, if the FOL is such a godsend then why doesn't AP introduce it on Thursday nights? Also, someone said to me "if you don't like it - don't race on it". Great, we only have two tracks. I'll just leave them at home for two weeks at a time and instead sit in traffic for hours and pay exorbitant trial and toll fees just to keep them fit.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 18 Aug 2017 05:31
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Cynthia Suttle wrote:
kev galloway wrote:
Graham Haswell wrote:
Well John I wish you all the best in your fight but I think the Industry will need more than 40c a week from participants to recover what has been lost.
I was once a member of the GBOTA and other Industry Groups and I realise they are trying to fight the fight ; but until we get a Racing Minister who has clout in Goverment , who cares about our industry and who is willing to put the cleaners through some of our dead head administrators aligned to anti's at RQ and QRIC I'm afraid I can't see any light at the end of the tunnel. But Good Luck
The extension of the FOL fake trial at Albion Park proves Racing Qld and the Integrity Commission are not sincere,the FOL if FINALLY introduced probably won't include Ipswich let alone be statewide as it needs to be.the thoroughbreds and Animals Australia have too much influence about greyhound welfare in both Qld and Australia via the administration of Greyhounds Australasia.the FOL would destroy Greyhounds Australasias greyhound wasteage and breeding impediment programs.JMO.
Kev. Whilst I respect your opinion on the FOL (and you know mine differs) the stats don't add up. Firstly, last Wednesday in Race 1 at AP the field crashed into the FOL resulting in one greyhound (which finished second by the way) breaking her front leg and another greyhound breaking his tail. The stewards report states that both dogs were injured in running - incorrect - their injuries were a direct result of the FOL. Secondly, are the stats being taken for all tracks? If they are, they shouldn't be - Ipswich doesn't have the FOL. Also, if the FOL is such a godsend then why doesn't AP introduce it on Thursday nights? Also, someone said to me "if you don't like it - don't race on it". Great, we only have two tracks. I'll just leave them at home for two weeks at a time and instead sit in traffic for hours and pay exorbitant trial and toll fees just to keep them fit.
Hi Cynthia, That incident last Wed should not have happened. The lure was pulled up near the 395 boxes...? This is exactly what I didn't like about it. Having said that, RQ has given no specific instruction as to where the dogs should be pulled up so one wonders if any studies have been undertaken to find the safest position. As I've said before...just turn on Sky and watch NZ racing...too hard? I'm easy either way...FOL or fighting pen, but there has to be a reward offered for the dogs to focus. Bit too late for the poor little bitch last Weds. What more does it take?
Darren Russell Australia (Verified User) Posts 97 Dogs 0 / Races 0 19 Aug 2017 01:33
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you're right Cynthia , next 2 Monday night are FOL making it hard to place 500 m dogs
Rob Wall Australia (Verified User) Posts 151 Dogs 6 / Races 0 19 Aug 2017 04:04
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i was all for the fol, but if a dog broke its leg, then they have to try somethink else, just do what vic does in the pen drag a toy
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