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Kev Galloway Australia (Verified User) Posts 2447 Dogs 5 / Races 0 15 Nov 2017 20:24
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Michael Geraghty wrote:
John Quarman wrote:
Log onto the new Racing Qld website.Compare the thoroughbred harness and greyhounds .It's like they have already closed us down .Hand up the leads and find something else to do for a hobby people. and most importantly STOP BETTING ON QLD GALLOPS.
To be honest, John, the whole website looks like it has been given a diet of bread and water. In my opinion, it is bland, uninviting, confusing, not user friendly, limited info that's hard to find, and it has put me off my dinner. Looks like something from the 70s. If it was food, it would taste like cardboard.
Wasting wages on the smartie who designed this site is just another reason for the LNP to sack Racing Qld when they become the government.
John Watts Australia (Verified User) Posts 976 Dogs 7 / Races 6 15 Nov 2017 20:39
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Archie Butterfly is reporting the LNP racing minister in waiting wouldnt know shite from clay when it comes to racing. Lets hope he is a fast learner.
Robert Handyside Australia (Verified User) Posts 787 Dogs 5 / Races 0 15 Nov 2017 23:02
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John Watts wrote:
Archie Butterfly is reporting the LNP racing minister in waiting wouldnt know shite from clay when it comes to racing. Lets hope he is a fast learner.
Anyone in Qld. that is not reading ....Archie Butterfly on the website " Its Not Normal " is truly not with it and needs to actually get the truth of what is going on. Kevin,.....Your L.N.P. alternative choice of Govt. WILL crucify what is left of the Greyhound Industry, and do all in their power to gift 50 MILLION DOLLARS of your Greyhound assets away to the Cheats on Seats....[CLIP KLOP]
FOR F.SAKE....."Greyhound Racing Qld." ARE the owners of 50% of Albion Park and NO DEALS or TRANSACTIONS have been "COMPLETED" !!! to change that "status quo"...... ABSOLUTELY NONE.....THAT WOULD STAND UP IN COURT !!!!!! You were the last entries on the "FREEHOLD TITLE". for Christs sake! If you cannot defend this single fact,....when ALL of the LAW [AND DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE]is with you.... then you obviously don't care and someone should turn the lights out for you!!!!!
Any body with ANY inside info should start tipping "Archie" the facts.
Mickey McLennan Australia (Verified User) Posts 73 Dogs 0 / Races 0 15 Nov 2017 23:09
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Archie has been reporting about the problems for months and months. Not a word has been printed in media anywhere, but the major concern is what was done to ensure harness racing took more than its fair share when the funds were divided out between the 3 codes and can happen again. We are having an election in a couple of weeks and not one person has spoken out for our industry. I have only been in this sport for about 5 minutes but am extremely worried that as Archie states this morning, we have no money, no tracks, and nothing much else either and allegedly Seymour has stitched up Albion Park with the Gods that run Queensland. The LNP wants the 3 codes to run separately, (great idea) who is going to run it, someone who yet again has no business sense and no knowledge of the industry. Will the greyhound industry finally be able to control its own destiny, keep our integrity higher than the other two codes which it has been for quite some time, keep it fair and equitable for all or wake up one morning to find that it has been lost because no one cared enough to fight back. Your call.
Jeff Crawford Australia (Verified User) Posts 238 Dogs 12 / Races 0 16 Nov 2017 03:58
(NB: If the link above doesn't work, the same newspaper article is at the top of the story which you can access from the link at the end of the next paragraph)
However, here's a somewhat more "skeptical" "take" on the "policy"; as "penned" by the infamous blogger Archie Butterfly ...
Hello darling. Here's $500 bucks. Why don't you go down the bottle-O & buy yourself a couple slabs....And what ever is left over, why don't you stop at the Casino & put it on RED.
Would you believe her ???
Promises, promises, promises.
That's all the Greyhound industry has received over the past decade from these 2 lying parties.
I'm over em.
We have an opportunity. It's time to use it
Wilma Honeyman Australia (Verified User) Posts 413 Dogs 0 / Races 0 16 Nov 2017 05:57
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First. I listened to Alan Jones interview with Tim Nicholls today. 16 Nov 2017. Nicholls did not mention Greyhounds at all only horses. Alan Jones (bless him) added in the Greyhounds.
Second. I dug up some old papers on Albion Park Raceway. "The whole property is owned on 50/50 between the Greyhound Racing Authority and the Harness Racing Board as tenants-in-common. This means that either one has the right to dispose of their share in any way they wish, just as if it was a separate deed. The land is very valuable. The transfer took place, according to the Boards Annual Report on 1 July 2003."
When the codes amalgamated to become Racing Queensland a register of owners was drawn up. But, RQ never fulfilled their Condition Precedent did they.........so how legal are they?
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 16 Nov 2017 07:31
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wilma honeyman wrote:
First. I listened to Alan Jones interview with Tim Nicholls today. 16 Nov 2017. Nicholls did not mention Greyhounds at all only horses. Alan Jones (bless him) added in the Greyhounds.
Second. I dug up some old papers on Albion Park Raceway. "The whole property is owned on 50/50 between the Greyhound Racing Authority and the Harness Racing Board as tenants-in-common. This means that either one has the right to dispose of their share in any way they wish, just as if it was a separate deed. The land is very valuable. The transfer took place, according to the Boards Annual Report on 1 July 2003."
When the codes amalgamated to become Racing Queensland a register of owners was drawn up. But, RQ never fulfilled their Condition Precedent did they.........so how legal are they?
In the register of owners were there written clauses of the conditions, Wilma?
Wilma Honeyman Australia (Verified User) Posts 413 Dogs 0 / Races 0 16 Nov 2017 08:12
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Michael Geraghty wrote:
wilma honeyman wrote:
First. I listened to Alan Jones interview with Tim Nicholls today. 16 Nov 2017. Nicholls did not mention Greyhounds at all only horses. Alan Jones (bless him) added in the Greyhounds.
Second. I dug up some old papers on Albion Park Raceway. "The whole property is owned on 50/50 between the Greyhound Racing Authority and the Harness Racing Board as tenants-in-common. This means that either one has the right to dispose of their share in any way they wish, just as if it was a separate deed. The land is very valuable. The transfer took place, according to the Boards Annual Report on 1 July 2003."
When the codes amalgamated to become Racing Queensland a register of owners was drawn up. But, RQ never fulfilled their Condition Precedent did they.........so how legal are they?
In the register of owners were there written clauses of the conditions, Wilma?
I posted this earlier on DATA. When the Amalgamation was done AP was owned by Greyhounds & Harness. The thoroughbreds also owned several racetracks including I think Eagle Farm & Deagon racetrack & Deagon where RQ headquarters is situated. Upon the amalgamation all assets of the 2 minor codes went to RQ, however there was an Assets Register created that showed where those assets came from ie which codes. This was done so that any profits from the sale of any of those assets were kept for those codes who contributed those assets.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 16 Nov 2017 09:36
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Wilma, I take it by your answer that NO conditions were put in WRITING when the amalgamation was put in place.
Is that right?
Robert Handyside Australia (Verified User) Posts 787 Dogs 5 / Races 0 16 Nov 2017 11:58
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Michael Geraghty wrote:
Wilma, I take it by your answer that NO conditions were put in WRITING when the amalgamation was put in place.
Is that right?
Michael, as much as you may want it to be.....THAT IS NOT RIGHT ! With just the smallest investigation, you will find ,IN WRITING,that there were "Conditions Precedent" relating to the amalgamation.....Admitted to by All and sundry during the Margaret White enquiry by everyone relevant to the amalgamation itself..... I personally have 3 separate hard drives with all the relevant admissions on them. Do you know what "conditions precedent" are Michael ? Might pay to look it up eh. One may wonder why you of all people haven't done so as yet.
This ONE SINGLE POINT is the STRONGEST FACT in Greyhound Racings favour....The law is on your side!....It is a "No Brainer"....The only people that can give Albion Park away is the Greyhound People themselves.....and trust me, Klip Klop will gladly take it off your hands....I personally asked all licensees at the time, to keep all the relevant testimony relating to the assets and the uncompleted merger on file and I know that there are many ,many people that have done so......What is concerning me is that such a staunch advocate for greyhound racing as yourself would be arguing their case for them .....If your memory is that poor, perhaps a little time on research may be warranted.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 16 Nov 2017 13:32
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robert handyside wrote:
Michael Geraghty wrote:
Wilma, I take it by your answer that NO conditions were put in WRITING when the amalgamation was put in place.
Is that right?
Michael, as much as you may want it to be.....THAT IS NOT RIGHT ! With just the smallest investigation, you will find ,IN WRITING,that there were "Conditions Precedent" relating to the amalgamation.....Admitted to by All and sundry during the Margaret White enquiry by everyone relevant to the amalgamation itself..... I personally have 3 separate hard drives with all the relevant admissions on them. Do you know what "conditions precedent" are Michael ? Might pay to look it up eh. One may wonder why you of all people haven't done so as yet.
This ONE SINGLE POINT is the STRONGEST FACT in Greyhound Racings favour....The law is on your side!....It is a "No Brainer"....The only people that can give Albion Park away is the Greyhound People themselves.....and trust me, Klip Klop will gladly take it off your hands....I personally asked all licensees at the time, to keep all the relevant testimony relating to the assets and the uncompleted merger on file and I know that there are many ,many people that have done so......What is concerning me is that such a staunch advocate for greyhound racing as yourself would be arguing their case for them .....If your memory is that poor, perhaps a little time on research may be warranted.
Well, Robert, your snide remarks and your stupid innuendos are totally misguided and you know it. Get your head out of your ass for a minute and stop being a pompous prick.
You well and truly know that I'm a pro-racing man and you well and truly know I hate the dudding of the QLD industry. If you truly are not aware of that, then just read the last 10 years of GD and my comments. So, Robert, there is no me arguing the case for the other team...you are being delusional, or precious, one of the two or maybe both. I'm a mere seeker of the truth, Robert.
Now that that is cleared up, I am genuinely interested in seeing what is in WRITING. Particularly, I'd like to see the Conditions Precedent in WRITING. Now, the reason I'd like to see it, Robert, is not to take someones word, but to see it for myself and if you are right in what you say that it exists, then maybe I can help to get it contested, maybe not... It certainly makes me wonder why not one single contest has been put forward by certain parties if it is true.
So, Robert, please SHOW me where I can read the conditions in WRITING so I know for certain it is real. Admissions, verbal agreements, and accusations mean absolutely nothing. Please supply a link where I can see the conditions in writing. If you haven't got a link but have a copy, send it to me.
I really sincerely hope that it DOES exist, why the hell wouldn't I? Your ramble was totally uncalled for and unjust.
Am I sceptical? Absolutely. There have been a few people that I know who have looked at the Greyhound case, people that are much smarter than you or I, who have extensive legal background, and came up with nothing. Again, please lead me to where the Conditions Precedent are in writing stating that Logan and any other conditions must be honoured BEFORE transfer of ownership is effected...in WRITING! If there isn't, we are stuffed, so there is no use going on with it.
I know you were close to Kerry Watson and maybe you take this personally, I don't know. My take of it is Kerry Watson got snowed, dudded, shafted, and gagged. She took the word of a dudding pack of wolves. Maybe I'm wrong. If I'm right, she should have known better and she has to take responsibility for where we stand today...simple. I wish the truth would come out one day...and not hearsay.
A question to ponder... Why would Clip Clop Kevvy Seymour(very smart man)let his beloved Brisbane Harness Club sign away their own asset without any conditions in writing?
Robert Handyside Australia (Verified User) Posts 787 Dogs 5 / Races 0 16 Nov 2017 21:42
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Where on Earth do you begin ? Perhaps a quote from the master would be a good place. If the Master lived in the computer age, I am sure his advice would be thus :Confucius say... "Please engage brain before tapping on Keyboard". Another cryptic quote :" Please Explain " just what was achieved...OR ...just what you hoped to achieve by questioning Mrs Honeyman, [A person that has not sat on a keyboard and stroked her ego constantly....but has been active in making submissions to the C.M.C. and ACTUALLY FIGHTING for Greyhound racing in Qld. FOR DECADES. ] Explain to me [Please] what positive outcome was achieved...Oh seeker of the TRUTH. Michael by your own admission, you have been actively banging away on your keyboard for 10 YEARS......Please enlighten me to your achievements over this time? Now I don't know who you claim to have consulted about the legal position surrounding the "Amalgamation" and the ownership of Albion Park, BUT unless they were Higher than a Supreme court Justice.......Then you are TRUMPED my friend [No pun intended]. It was a retired SUPREME COURT JUSTICE...That DECLARED without reservation that our case was a "No Brainer" and spent Many Weeks Drafting our claims to the C.M.C. Who sidestepped it due to Klip Klop instigating legal proceedings at the same time.
These FACTS are not in contention Michael. As I said they all were revealed AND admitted to during the "Margaret White inquiry". Are you saying that you are incapable of doing any research at all...[Remember Dr. GOOGLE?].... or could it be that you are just too lazy or uncommitted to be bothered.....finding it easier to question your fellow licencees and pretend "Inner Knowledge". I repeat the question: What Positive aspect is gained by this? If as you claim you are seeking the truth... then seek the truth. The TRUTH ....I am told.... will set you free. I have no wish to spend my time with your education, by supplying links etc. .......Do your Home work..
By the way The " Harness Racing Club "at Albion Park were NEVER Owners or part owners of Albion Park and as such....had no right to, and never did sign away any such thing.
Robert Handyside Australia (Verified User) Posts 787 Dogs 5 / Races 0 16 Nov 2017 21:47
Hi Jeff, If the politicians lips were moving when he announced it then I would have to be very uneasy. Then again, perhaps Tim could firstly acknowledge in writing that if this was to occur....ALL of the Greyhound Racings ASSETS would be Reinstated....?
Wilma Honeyman Australia (Verified User) Posts 413 Dogs 0 / Races 0 17 Nov 2017 06:12
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"The events of December 2009 & of the early months of 2010 before 1 July 2010 clearly confirm not only that the necessary assurance (representation) was given by Bentley to Ms Watson & GQL but that it had been accepted by Ms Watson & GQL & on that basis had agreed to the amalgamation of GQL with the other code control bodies. We have in our possession documents which evidence the lodgement of the DA. Media publicity involving the Mayor & Mr Beavis amply demonstrate the degree of industry euphoria which attended the Logan project & the lodgement of the DA with the Logan City Council which development we are aware was supported by the Council."
Lordy Guys I could go on & on. There are tapes, emails, letters which were all presented at the Margaret White Enquiry & evidence not submitted ! & people who didn't speak out...... Unfortunately one of our Greyhound persons spread a rumour that we had no evidence & few people ferret out facts & truth for themselves.
Kev Galloway Australia (Verified User) Posts 2447 Dogs 5 / Races 0 17 Nov 2017 06:59
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Make no mistake,if the turncoats on the QGBOTA and the BGRC in September 2010 at Parklands had sought Clip Clops intentions before agreeing to Bentleys Deagon treachery greyhounds would have been racing at Cronulla Park for the past 7 years at least.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 17 Nov 2017 11:54
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robert handyside wrote:
Where on Earth do you begin ? Perhaps a quote from the master would be a good place. If the Master lived in the computer age, I am sure his advice would be thus :Confucius say... "Please engage brain before tapping on Keyboard". Another cryptic quote :" Please Explain " just what was achieved...OR ...just what you hoped to achieve by questioning Mrs Honeyman, [A person that has not sat on a keyboard and stroked her ego constantly....but has been active in making submissions to the C.M.C. and ACTUALLY FIGHTING for Greyhound racing in Qld. FOR DECADES. ] Explain to me [Please] what positive outcome was achieved...Oh seeker of the TRUTH. Michael by your own admission, you have been actively banging away on your keyboard for 10 YEARS......Please enlighten me to your achievements over this time? Now I don't know who you claim to have consulted about the legal position surrounding the "Amalgamation" and the ownership of Albion Park, BUT unless they were Higher than a Supreme court Justice.......Then you are TRUMPED my friend [No pun intended]. It was a retired SUPREME COURT JUSTICE...That DECLARED without reservation that our case was a "No Brainer" and spent Many Weeks Drafting our claims to the C.M.C. Who sidestepped it due to Klip Klop instigating legal proceedings at the same time.
These FACTS are not in contention Michael. As I said they all were revealed AND admitted to during the "Margaret White inquiry". Are you saying that you are incapable of doing any research at all...[Remember Dr. GOOGLE?].... or could it be that you are just too lazy or uncommitted to be bothered.....finding it easier to question your fellow licencees and pretend "Inner Knowledge". I repeat the question: What Positive aspect is gained by this? If as you claim you are seeking the truth... then seek the truth. The TRUTH ....I am told.... will set you free. I have no wish to spend my time with your education, by supplying links etc. .......Do your Home work..
By the way The " Harness Racing Club "at Albion Park were NEVER Owners or part owners of Albion Park and as such....had no right to, and never did sign away any such thing.
Firstly, I'm not going to get into a tit for tat slanging match with you because I've just realised I'm talking to a lunatic. You condescending piece of...oops, no, I'm going to control it.
It was a simple question and it is crystal clear there is no answer...probably the reason why the CMC case failed.
Look you, when I heard a group were going to the CMC to contest the dudding I sincerely hoped the group would stick it right up them. You guys did a lot of work and the end result didn't justify that. Nor do I think that the industry as a whole gave you enough credit for trying. Maybe that made you feel a little scorned, you know, like a scorned woman...
Let me make this perfectly clear to you, Robert... The question I put to Wilma, before you rudely, abruptly, arrogantly, and condescendingly interrupted, was a question I have asked many times and not just to Wilma. At no time have I ever received a straight answer...always peripheral. So, why I ask the question is borne from frustration and hope that the false promise of a solution based on WRITTEN SIGNED CONDITIONS that no-one has ever seen will go away!!!!!!!
Got it?
At no time was I disrespectful to Wilma. I like Wilma and I admire her for at least trying to help the industry which is more than some. You used that as a crutch for someone daring to question YOU. Weak as... How dare I pose a question on a forum???? Explain to you???? You're a funny guy.
No Brainer is it? Lay down maziere is it? Well then, it won't be hard to get a solicitor to take the case on a no win/no fee basis, will it. All you have to do is present the undeniable facts to him and it's a winner. Why didn't you do that back then? Why didn't the retired supreme court judge take it on?
The Margret White Amnesia inquiry was a sham. It was purely a political witch hunt that produced not one single conviction. I have never read the words "I can't recall" so many times in my life. And you want to hang the industry's hat on it? I do recall the Watson part of the inquiry because I followed it quite closely. Disappointingly, the inquiry seemed to gloss over it as if it was a minor play. I do recall that several witnesses stated she was indicated that Greyhounds would be looked after and I do recall that she was an unhappy little vegemite when Bentley showed her the pineapple...let off a few expletives, hey. I'm not going back to read thousands of pages to find where exhibit z is a signed condition of contract or similar because I NEVER READ THAT!
Until you produce evidence on the contrary, I ain't gunna believe it...and neither is anyone else.
I wish there was, Sherlock, so we can get our assets back! Go and get a lawyer on a no win/no fee basis with your evidence you won't share and be a hero and win the 'no brainer' case! Up to you, big boy, because NOBODY ELSE CAN!
PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
Now, here is a little something to ponder...again...
"All human unhappiness comes from not facing reality squarely, exactly as it is." Buddha
On a sadder note... I need to ask you a favour, if you don't mind. A little while ago I lost a dear friend on here. I was devastated and it brings tears to my eyes as I write this. We had a tiffy, bit like this one, and the end result is I no longer will receive a Xmas card from him. I was wondering if you could send me one to fill the void it will leave. An e-card would be fine...won't get lost in the mail then, hey.
Please buddy, cobber, digger, pal, maaaate?
Wilma Honeyman Australia (Verified User) Posts 413 Dogs 0 / Races 0 17 Nov 2017 21:47
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Michael . I am putting up. You may read what I have. Drop by for a cuppa.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 17 Nov 2017 22:28
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wilma honeyman wrote:
Michael . I am putting up. You may read what I have. Drop by for a cuppa.
Thank you, Wilma. I appreciate that and I will. See you soon.
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