Well, that's all a bit scrambled eggs now, isn't it.

Quote..."I AM aware that I am not the sharpest tool in the shed."
That's being a little too hard on yourself, Robbie.
I was thinking more on the lines of a left-handed screwdriver...or a right-handed one...bit confusing, hey.
Don't think you are alone in this big bad world, "Robbie" because I too am not the sharpest, which I have declared many many times on here. I'm half a nutter, half brain dead, and drowning in a sea of passion filled excrement.
I'm a blunt chisel, getting no-where.

What's with the formalities lately?
MRS. Honeyman?
Wilma is very approachable and down to earth so I would be very surprised if she insisted on being addressed in a formal manner, Mr. Handyside.
But, who am I to argue...
To keep it consistent, you may now address me as MR. Geraghty...ooh, I like that!

Yes, Mr. Handyside, it's all a bit scrambled.
Usually when one responds to a post, they click on the right of the post they are responding to, where it says "QUOTE".
What happens then is, when you answer with your diatribe, they both appear together so one can instantly recognise the correlation between the two.
Bloody amazing this technology, hey.
Posting to someone with a quote from someone different is well...lunacy.
Told you you are a lunatic.

Addressing someone with quotation marks around their name..."Mick"...is weird, Mr. Handyside.
Altogether, the post is a bit of a worry.
Best you take a bex and have a good think about it.

All a bit yawny for me.
Wouldn't the world be a better place if we all worked together and shared the love?
Instead of swinging down from a tree and acting like a rabies infected primate and attacking someone's credibility and insinuating brutish traitor like behaviour when there is clearly none.
A dreadful act full of deceit, bitterness, and evil...you're just a very naughty boy who should apologize.
Funny how sometimes the guilty blames the innocent with their own guilt...
Think of what the industry entails today and there is indeed a Mark Antony story to be told, dear Mr. Handyside.

Your last question about me seeing the lovely Mrs. Honeyman deserves no answer.
The audacity of it all.

My intent was to pull you up from trying to perpetuate a lie...in relation to Albion park and the "Amalgamation".
You obviously have no idea about either, but were willing to declare that there is no claim to ownership now and that you should all "MOVE ON". This is not true.......And certainly not in the best interests of the Industry you claim to be an avid supporter of ?
I stated that I have plenty of evidence [in writing] to the contrary...at which point ,it became personal.
Mrs Honeyman kindly offered to afford you the opportunity of looking at the material to bring you up to date.....but apparently either this is not what you want to do ...OR you cant be bothered....
Either way, the choice is yours. You are an adult, you have free choice and you can do what pleases you.....
What you cant do is tell lies on here without being corrected [by me OR anybody else on here that has the FACTS].
Do I think that you are singing from the other Industries Hymn book?

NO ! But it is my humble opinion that you are Lazy and want to appear to be "In the Know" without actually taking the time to find out......unfortunately when you do this, and it is not only wrong....but against the best interests of Greyhound Racing...then it appears that you are singing from a different hymn book...even if it is inadvertently
You once said to me on this thread, that you admired my "passion", well I have 49 years invested in Greyhound Racing and the passion still flows .....but it flows with Thought and accuracy, honesty and a willingness to take the time and effort to know the TRUTH.

50% of Albion Park is [Subject to a court proceedings]still owned by the greyhound Industry and the only people that can alter that fact are the Greyhound people themselves by giving it away.

If you want to know WHY it is still owned by the Greyhound Industry then start doing some homework.[You have offers of help].

Lets start with a question....This is not a rhetorical question but a genuine attempt to get understanding.
Considering everyone in the racing industry is crying poor at the moment, and has no money, Why has Albion Park not been sold yet??

I would genuinely like your take on what is preventing them from selling it up to date ??
I will give you a hint....Klip Klop .....Who KNOWS that if they take it to court....They have a very very strong case [and the money to do it].
Now Klip Klop is stuck between a rock and a hard place, BECAUSE if he has to do that....It brings to light the fact that there were 2 owners and they certainly don't want that...and to prove their case...they have to establish beyond doubt...our 50% ownership.
SO: desperately expecting their mates to triumph at the ballot box....There was an expectation that they would be ably assisted with the details after the election.....PLAN A...down the drain.

What is going to happen in the next few months is going to be fascinating and there is so much more involved....I will try to find the time to elaborate further......But suffice to say especially right now....EVERYONE in Greyhound Racing needs to be of the "mindset" that Qld. greyhound racing are the legitimate owners of 50% of Albion Park and that they value it highly as a part of their asset base and have big plans going forward......

Any ideas as to why there are no comments or future plans for Albion park forthcoming from the committee and/or management AT ALBION PARK ? [For Greyhounds]

I am sure that someone at "Harness" has millions of very seductive reasons ,why they should take over the whole place.
Perhaps they have shared their reasoning with the hierarchy at Albion Park and been able to make them see their point of view.......Goodness me if it is such a sound argument surely you would think that they could share it with the participants....If only to remove the bitter taste of betrayal.

To be honest, after your second last post, I find it really hard to be polite with you.
So much so, I was quite willing to come out with all guns ablazing and blow your head off, so to speak.
Before I go on I must clear up some things.
I DID NOT say that there is no claim to ownership of Albion Park and that we should all MOVE ON.
There certainly is on moral grounds but we have to fight on technical grounds.
What I did insinuate was that if there is no WRITTEN CONDITIONS in the contract we are pushing the proverbial uphill and if no written proof can be presented then drop it.
Indeed, if there ARE written conditions one would think we have a VERY good chance of justice.
I simply asked for clarification of written conditions.
There is a big difference between those two meanings.
That doesn't mean to say stop moving on to find other avenues of protest if there aren't, but as yet, I haven't met anyone who knows what those avenues are.

The other is you out and out called me a liar.
"What you cant do is tell lies on here without being corrected [by me OR anybody else on here that has the FACTS]."
Now that is a pretty hard punch not to give back...
I did not lie, certainly not intentionally, and I see nowhere that could have been perceived.

Anyway, you are man enough to apologise (albeit after delivering a few low punches) and I'll be man enough to accept it without returning those punches, reluctantly.

Forgiven and forgotten.

For me, Albion Park is a bitter pill to swallow.
If the amalgamation agreement was made legally water-tight at the very start we wouldn't be having this conversation.
More than anything else, I HATE being dudded.
I have been dudded because I am part of a whole industry that has been dudded.
It blows my mind trying to comprehend how it happened.
If there is a morsel of a chance to rectify it, I want to be part of it, in any way I can.
Whatever small way I can help I put my hand up.

Your questions...

"Considering everyone in the racing industry is crying poor at the moment, and has no money, Why has Albion Park not been sold yet??"

A. Because there is a council embargo to develop it, is the short answer, courtesy of our mate, Clippity.
That in itself tells you the state of affairs with ownership of Albion Park, because not even he has found a way to legally void the agreement...as yet.
So he has used leverage with his council mates to cause a stalemate.
The way I see it there are only two likely outcomes, neither will benefit Greyhounds.
One is RQ finds a way to circumvent the embargo and bulldozers ahead with partial sell off and development.
The other, if the first fails, is to sit down with Clippity and have a cup of tea and crumpets.

Only my opinion and nothing would give me more pleasure than seeing both ideas capitulate with part ownership going back to Greyhounds.
The other thing with that is for that to happen, the amalgamation would have to cease for the assets to return to separate (Greyhound - Harness) entities, I would imagine.

So all this brings something else into the equation...Thoroughbreds.
Is it in the best interests for them to see Albion sold/developed?
Where are their cries for autonomy now?
Would they benefit from Albion?
Judging by the Butterfly's assessment, they aren't travelling too well financially, are they.
Aaaah, it's just one big bowl of spaghetti, isn't it.

"Any ideas as to why there are no comments or future plans for Albion park forthcoming from the committee and/or management AT ALBION PARK ? [For Greyhounds]"

Because they have no say whatsoever in the way the current game is being played???

P.S. If there was an industry funded Commission, there might be a 3rd option to the answer of the 1st question.

On the first of July 2003 both the Greyhound Industry and the Harness Industry were handed a lifeline...[By a Labor Govt.] in the Gifting of the FREEHOLD TITLE to the premises at which time they were both racing....ALBION PARK.
Prior to this they were both tenants of the above premises....From that day they became "OWNERS" of the said property...Registered as such on the Title...... FACT.
I would like to quote you now Michael once again without malice just to get you thinking about your mindset
:; "Because they have no say whatsoever in the way the current game is being played???"
This by your inference excuses the club officials ?
What about in 2009/10...when a tsunami was sweeping through racing, completely upending everything and restructuring the entire thing....this tsunami was called Bob Bentley but he was just the face that we all saw and communicated with.....The real power sat at his right hand Big Bill Ludwig......
A man who has removed 2 sitting Prime Ministers and currently has a third sitting at the gates of the lodge waiting for his turn.
Have you ever sat in on a meeting with either of these 2 men Michael ?...I have and I don't mind admitting it was a daunting experience.....They leave you in NO DOUBT what they think about dissention and what you should do and how fast..
Anna B. Andrew Fraser, Mike Kelly, all experienced what I am describing and fell into line quite quickly.
In Defence of Andrew Fraser he made the Stipulation [possibly a legal requirement]that ANY AMALGAMATION " MUST " be preceded by AGREEMENT by each code.....

On the 4th January 2010 Mike Kelly [Dept. Racing] received [in writing]from the chair of Greyhounds [Ms Watson] notification of the AGREEMENT to amalgamate SUBJECT TO a small number of conditions which she had highlighted a number of times earlier.

On the 7th of January 2010 Greyhound chair [ Ms.Watson ] sent [In writing again],....notification to Andrew Fraser [Treasurer] once again an AGREEMENT to amalgamate and once again...SUBJECT TO a number of previously disclosed not negotiable conditions.

Considering the formidable "TIDAL WAVE" of power that was pushing very very hard to resolve this QUICKLY I don't feel that she capitulated.... but did the very best that she could......and when viewed by a retired Supreme court Justice ,...He decided that she had done enough and proceeded with the complaint to the CMC.
The whole system of appeal was out of whack and the complaint got "Buried"........To borrow your Quote again mate :
"Because they have no say whatsoever in the way the current game is being played???"

To indicate just what sort of "POWER" we are talking about...suffice to say that Klip Klop was also in awe and came out of it with nothing....not even an email.

But he has not given up.
Neither should you ......In the court of public opinion EVERY statement is crucial. and EVERY thing that is signed by any so-called representative body from NOW in relation to future venues should be weighed up against a 50 million dollar asset that you already own and was given to benefit the Greyhound Industry.

Don't fight them on their turf fight them on yours.
Don't let Klip Klop win by Default If your representatives wont speak up get rid of them.....Votes of "NO CONFIDENCE" communicated to those in charge DO have an effect in removing legitimacy at a later date...
There can be no unilateral decisions made if there is a vote of "NO CONFIDENCE"...hanging over the heads of the so-called representatives.....and the powers that be have been officially informed.................

On a lighter note and just because I enjoy a good read:

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Any person who makes themselves available to be part of a " REPRESENTATIVE BODY " and then accepts the directive that everything is confidential and cannot be shared with the very body that they claim to represent......May as well step down/resign immediately because you are just kidding yourselves and you are certainly not representing or helping the industry....Your just perpetuating what has been happening for years and dancing [most politely] to their tune.
I know that when you are hungry....you will hang around and hang around always in the futile hope that you will be thrown a crust.....It is thoroughly understandable but certainly not respected and do you really just want to be thrown a crust?

I have had a look at the advisory board and amongst them there are people that in the past I have had respect for: Might I ask you to look in the mirror and ask yourself: " Am I progressing this sport I love.......Or am I just Legitimising there wrongdoings ?

Exactly right Dan,.....Michael is also right in that it has been stalled by his mates in the council....UNTIL THE ELECTION.
Plan A ......FAIL. So now he will be moving and making decisions for plan B and NOW is the danger period for the loss of your asset.
There must be NO DOUBT in the minds of Racing Qld. and the GOVT. that you know positively that 50% of Albion Park belongs to the Greyhound Industry and that there are absolutely NO DOUBTS that you expect the proceeds of any potential sale or development to reflect that
Someone has inspired Mr. Butterfly to get involved in Reflecting the Truth.....Good onya Dan. At least someone can see what I am getting at......The time is now!

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Well, Rob, it's not hard when you LOOK at what has been typed. NOT what you think has been typed.
Give me a break, mate...
Here, I'll make it clearer for you....
What I wrote was..."What I did insinuate was that if there is no WRITTEN CONDITIONS in the contract we are pushing the proverbial uphill and if no written proof can be presented then drop it."

Now fair enough, it's a little word and it could be missed, so I will make it bigger and repeat it...
"What I did insinuate was that IF IF IF IF there is no WRITTEN CONDITIONS in the contract we are pushing the proverbial uphill and if no written proof can be presented then drop it."

Do you see it?
It's "IF"!!!

You will have to forgive the majority of the industry for not believing someone who says there are written conditions, without producing PROOF to back it up.
That should have been obvious when you declared it and received no response from anyone...

Now, you've done it AGAIN!!!
"Any ideas as to why there are no comments or future plans for Albion park forthcoming from the committee and/or management AT ALBION PARK ? [For Greyhounds]"

ME>>>"Because they have no say whatsoever in the way the current game is being played???"

YOU>>>"You come up with reasons which appear to condone "no comment" from your leaders at Albion Park."

HOW IN HELL HAVE YOU COME UP WITH THAT INTERPRETATION OF MY ANSWER???

Do you honestly believe RQ are in deep and meaningful talks with Albion Park Greys committee and/or management in regards to future plans to dissect, develop, and sell what they believe is their/(the WHOLE)industry's asset?
Before you see something in THAT statement that's not there, that is THEIR belief, not mine!

I simply stated the OBVIOUS. Contrary to what you THINK was implied, there is no condoning of silence or ANYTHING else....RQ will do what THEY want with Albion...such a sad truth it is...unless the industry can get it's rightful asset back.
Don't read things that aren't there.

Now, finally, you have put forth SOMETHING that people can get a hold on rather than just saying it's there.
Specifically...
On the 4th January 2010 Mike Kelly [Dept. Racing] received [in writing]from the chair of Greyhounds [Ms Watson] notification of the AGREEMENT to amalgamate SUBJECT TO a small number of conditions which she had highlighted a number of times earlier.

On the 7th of January 2010 Greyhound chair [ Ms.Watson ] sent [In writing again],....notification to Andrew Fraser [Treasurer] once again an AGREEMENT to amalgamate and once again...SUBJECT TO a number of previously disclosed not negotiable conditions.

Quote..."I have told you that there is written documentation but you still want it handed to you on a plate."
YES, I BLOODY WELL DO!!!!!!!...and so does the rest of the industry, Rob, because it ain't good enough or convincing enough to just 'say' something without putting up...nor will you get the support by doing so...capish?
So, thank you for that and you have brought my scepticism down a notch, although you did not mention the specifics of the conditions.
I, nor 99.993333333333% of participants would know where to look for that.
So, sharing and collaborating info with others is not such a bad thing, is it.
I am no lawyer and have never professed to be but if those conditions specify that the agreement is SUBJECT to Logan being built then it is clear that those contract conditions have NOT been met.
Whether that is enough to overturn the sham or more needs to be exposed, I don't know...that's up to the lawyers.

Next step...
Why don't you take your own advice and forward ALL the info you have to our good friend, Archie...I'm sure he would find it interesting.
In doing so, it might create enough interest with other parties to get involved.
Who knows what could flow from that.
If you truly believe that what info you have is enough to right the ship, then it is YOU, Rob, YOU that can save our asset.
As you said, the time is now and the info you have will take others too long to collate.
It makes sense that you share it with people who can help...NOW!

Go for it and let's hope it turns it around.

An advisory board/panel is pointless be it hand picked or not if the advice being given is brushed aside and ignored.
One thing it does do though, is it serves the P2B to appear open to consultation which appeases the Racing Minister.

Absolutely correct.......And if you are not succeeding you just become part of the problem.
[Man in the mirror].

Michael, just quickly going back through this thread and bringing forth......The Truth [as I find it].

Another "Harness" reality.

Michael, I pleaded with you all to keep the relevant parts of the enquiry on hard drive.......I knew that you would need them .....and now I am being screamed at because I have to educate you ?
You say that you put your hand up to assist in some way....Michael I think you missed your calling in life. You would have made a great politician.

Remember this Michael.......Tell me if the link doesn't work.... It is Tony Hanmers statement UNDER OATH and I will save you all a lot of time.....The evidence relating to Greyhounds and the amalgamation is right down at the bottom.