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Robert Handyside
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robert handyside wrote:

Another 3 GONE.!

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Right about NOW!! might be an appropriate time for the Brisbane Greyhound Racing Club to elucidate their plans for Albion Park !

Comment on the serious damage being done to the Racing Industry in general by the almost weekly arrests of people in the Harness Racing Industry for alleged Race Fixing and money laundering.....The whole racing Industry is being brought into DISREPUTE.....with these constant arrests and allegations....

Current evidence suggests that it is only the TIP of the ICEBERG....The quicker that ALL of the alleged criminals ,...including the MASTERMINDS are exposed and dealt with appropriately the better for ALL concerned......

Examination and questions should be asked RIGHT NOW as to WHY The earnings of Greyhound Racing are being syphoned off and diverted to Harness Racing which may be supporting these nefarious activities...
It will either be done by the Racing Industry or by the
courts in the public domain.

NOW might be an appropriate time to at least canvas the Idea that Albion Park be made into a CENTRE OF EXCELLENCE......for the Greyhounds...[ that you could share with the "TROTS" providing they survive ]....Considering the inescapable fact that you are the ONLY CODE that is trading and operating in the black and have been for years ... Despite the IMPOSITION of all that has been dumped on you....you are still growing
Despite the manipulation of the Tote pools in favour of harness,[By person or persons unknown ,but suspected at present]....this will come out before too long....
Greyhound Racing is still there and considering the MANY MANY millions of dollars that have been appropriated from your earnings over the years to subsidise this ,..what is now starting to look like an alleged cartel of race organising......you have more than paid your dues....AND paid for Albion Park.

Klip Klop is not the Big benefactor of Harness racing.....He pales into insignificance in financial terms when compared to the Greyhound Industries input.

Do you think that the Bris. Grey. Club. might find the motivation to announce something positive NOW .....If Not , Why Not ???

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Kev Galloway
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On prize money market share,harness are currently being gifted more than 5 percent of greyhounds market share by Racing Qld,but then the CEO when in Tasmania managed the same situation.


Michael Geraghty
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robert handyside wrote:

Michael Geraghty wrote:

Doing a fine job rallying the crowd there, Rob.
Well done.
Would you know where participants who are interest might be able to view the actual written agreement?

Please enlighten me Michael...Just what agreement exactly are you referring to...?
There was no formal document...There HAD TO BE agreement to amalgamate IN WRITING from the chairs of the codes and then it was enacted by legislation from 1 July 2010.....That is why The letters of agreement to amalgamate have to form part of the chain of evidence relating to the records......and the conditions precedent also.

Ok, so where do the words "SUBJECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND COMPLETION OF CRONULLA PARK, LOGAN" or similar, appear so participants can get ACCURATE info?



Robert Handyside
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10 Dec 2017 10:40


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Michael Geraghty wrote:

robert handyside wrote:

Michael Geraghty wrote:

Doing a fine job rallying the crowd there, Rob.
Well done.
Would you know where participants who are interest might be able to view the actual written agreement?

Please enlighten me Michael...Just what agreement exactly are you referring to...?
There was no formal document...There HAD TO BE agreement to amalgamate IN WRITING from the chairs of the codes and then it was enacted by legislation from 1 July 2010.....That is why The letters of agreement to amalgamate have to form part of the chain of evidence relating to the records......and the conditions precedent also.

Ok, so where do the words "SUBJECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND COMPLETION OF CRONULLA PARK, LOGAN" or similar, appear so participants can get ACCURATE info?


31st December 2009 letter to Mike Kelly[ Head of Office of Racing ] from Ms Watson advising ...In principle support for amalgamation subject to adequate safeguards for minor codes ,appropriate employment guarantees for all staff and that the PRESENT BUSINESS PLANS for GREYHOUNDS can STILL BE IMPLEMENTED...
Similar correspondence with the treasurer and Bentley and Tony Hanmer....
Tony Hanmers own testimony under oath makes it PERFECTLY CLEAR that the agreement was subject to the conditions and he states under oath that if they could not get agreement ...then the amalgamation could not proceed. What is perfectly clear and not disputed by any relevant party is that the conditions were known to all and accepted by all with encouragement from all.
Michael I am trusting that you are actually doing some investigations too and not just wasting my time.......Of course you are.


Michael Geraghty
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10 Dec 2017 11:56


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robert handyside wrote:

Michael Geraghty wrote:

robert handyside wrote:

Michael Geraghty wrote:

Doing a fine job rallying the crowd there, Rob.
Well done.
Would you know where participants who are interest might be able to view the actual written agreement?

Please enlighten me Michael...Just what agreement exactly are you referring to...?
There was no formal document...There HAD TO BE agreement to amalgamate IN WRITING from the chairs of the codes and then it was enacted by legislation from 1 July 2010.....That is why The letters of agreement to amalgamate have to form part of the chain of evidence relating to the records......and the conditions precedent also.

Ok, so where do the words "SUBJECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND COMPLETION OF CRONULLA PARK, LOGAN" or similar, appear so participants can get ACCURATE info?


31st December 2009 letter to Mike Kelly[ Head of Office of Racing ] from Ms Watson advising ...In principle support for amalgamation subject to adequate safeguards for minor codes ,appropriate employment guarantees for all staff and that the PRESENT BUSINESS PLANS for GREYHOUNDS can STILL BE IMPLEMENTED...
Similar correspondence with the treasurer and Bentley and Tony Hanmer....
Tony Hanmers own testimony under oath makes it PERFECTLY CLEAR that the agreement was subject to the conditions and he states under oath that if they could not get agreement ...then the amalgamation could not proceed. What is perfectly clear and not disputed by any relevant party is that the conditions were known to all and accepted by all with encouragement from all.
Michael I am trusting that you are actually doing some investigations too and not just wasting my time.......Of course you are.

Firstly,
I see a big problem with ANYONE trying to put together any sort of collaborative effort to push for a resolve when they have to work with YOU.
You either are intentionally being condescending, rude, pompous, and full of yourself, or, it just oozes naturally from you.
So one would be forgiven to think, well, that it is YOU who is a waste of time...you precious thing you.

So, great leader of none, my patience is rather limited these days, because of many years of dealing with w@nkers and figuring out long ago that a willy w@nker will always w@nk.

Now, I have been talking to several people regarding this and the question I put forward to you was raised by one of them.
They also asked what was the verdict of the CMC inquiry.
From what I can find, it found no proof of misconduct.
All the info you have produced here I would imagine would have been presented to the CMC and a whole lot more, I would think.

I'm trying to get a grasp on what makes you think NOW is different and how we can get a better result.
What was the advice from your ex-high court judge or whatever, after the failed CMC hearing?

Can you respond without being a pompous smarta$$ prick?
If you are a good boy I'll give you a smartie, so you think you are smart.



Robert Handyside
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10 Dec 2017 23:18


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Michael Geraghty wrote:

robert handyside wrote:

Michael Geraghty wrote:

robert handyside wrote:

Michael Geraghty wrote:

Doing a fine job rallying the crowd there, Rob.
Well done.
Would you know where participants who are interest might be able to view the actual written agreement?

Please enlighten me Michael...Just what agreement exactly are you referring to...?
There was no formal document...There HAD TO BE agreement to amalgamate IN WRITING from the chairs of the codes and then it was enacted by legislation from 1 July 2010.....That is why The letters of agreement to amalgamate have to form part of the chain of evidence relating to the records......and the conditions precedent also.

Ok, so where do the words "SUBJECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND COMPLETION OF CRONULLA PARK, LOGAN" or similar, appear so participants can get ACCURATE info?


31st December 2009 letter to Mike Kelly[ Head of Office of Racing ] from Ms Watson advising ...In principle support for amalgamation subject to adequate safeguards for minor codes ,appropriate employment guarantees for all staff and that the PRESENT BUSINESS PLANS for GREYHOUNDS can STILL BE IMPLEMENTED...
Similar correspondence with the treasurer and Bentley and Tony Hanmer....
Tony Hanmers own testimony under oath makes it PERFECTLY CLEAR that the agreement was subject to the conditions and he states under oath that if they could not get agreement ...then the amalgamation could not proceed. What is perfectly clear and not disputed by any relevant party is that the conditions were known to all and accepted by all with encouragement from all.
Michael I am trusting that you are actually doing some investigations too and not just wasting my time.......Of course you are.

Firstly,
I see a big problem with ANYONE trying to put together any sort of collaborative effort to push for a resolve when they have to work with YOU.
You either are intentionally being condescending, rude, pompous, and full of yourself, or, it just oozes naturally from you.
So one would be forgiven to think, well, that it is YOU who is a waste of time...you precious thing you.

So, great leader of none, my patience is rather limited these days, because of many years of dealing with w@nkers and figuring out long ago that a willy w@nker will always w@nk.

Now, I have been talking to several people regarding this and the question I put forward to you was raised by one of them.
They also asked what was the verdict of the CMC inquiry.
From what I can find, it found no proof of misconduct.
All the info you have produced here I would imagine would have been presented to the CMC and a whole lot more, I would think.

I'm trying to get a grasp on what makes you think NOW is different and how we can get a better result.
What was the advice from your ex-high court judge or whatever, after the failed CMC hearing?

Can you respond without being a pompous smarta$$ prick?
If you are a good boy I'll give you a smartie, so you think you are smart.

Michael, you asked me for specific info. in your last 2 posts and despite my better judgement I obliged and gave it to you ,and advised where more info. could be got.
You come back with a list of namecalling and insults of a personal nature....
It is not about ME or YOU or any perceived argument that you are trying to win.......[ I refuse to allow you to distract from the real issue which is Greyhound Racings entitlement to 50 @ percent of Albion Park.....Which was TAKEN from them ].

(1) "What was the advice from your ex-high court judge or whatever, after the failed CMC hearing?"

(2) " I'm trying to get a grasp on what makes you think NOW is different"

These 2 statements by you tell me all that I need to know......Firstly: that you don't give a damn about finding out the truth or the facts and that you have no appreciation of the fact that the gentleman concerned A Retired "SUPREME COURT" Judge.... gave his time and costs to Greyhound Racing for nothing ...to assist.

Secondly: That you just don't understand what is going on NOW, RIGHT NOW in relation to Racing Qld. and you are flailing around trying to find a reason to justify you doing nothing....
When people resort to name calling and insults rather than the facts, reason and logic then its usually a good sign that they are struggling .....That's ok Michael if you don't want to do anything....Don't......We all have to be aware of our limitations...I know that I am.
In the meantime I will keep prosecuting my case for justice for Greyhound Racing and make no reference to you by name....and you can go back to doing what you obviously enjoyed doing....Just as one last favour ....look at the last paragraph of your last post and think.....am I better than this ? I thought you were.....Now you see where I have limitations.....I Was Wrong.

It would be better if you just ignore what I write and perhaps even this particular conversation because you have shown that it is way above your paygrade.[ But that's OK too ].




Robert Handyside
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Well I'm certainly not "Robinson Crusoe" anyway.

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Truck Mcnamara
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11 Dec 2017 00:02


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I think both of you should get off this topic for a while as it is being read by alot of people who have said to me that these 2 (i won't say wat they said)blokes need to button up+have there differances soughted out somewhere away from the forum.I no both of you+respect all ure views but not on here fellas.



Robert Handyside
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11 Dec 2017 01:00


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Truck Mcnamara wrote:

I think both of you should get off this topic for a while as it is being read by alot of people who have said to me that these 2 (i won't say wat they said)blokes need to button up+have there differances soughted out somewhere away from the forum.I no both of you+respect all ure views but not on here fellas.

I agree completely truck ... I have requested that he ignores what I write and from my perspective it will stop me wasting time and I can concentrate on the subject matter ie: Queensland Racing and the many ways that the Greyhound Racing code has been shafted in the past and continue to be in the present.

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Robert Handyside
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Lets take a look at the "HARNESS ADVISORY BOARD":

Harness Advisory Panel

Panel Chairman (RQ) Marg Reynolds
Breeder/Owner/Sponsor/Club Kevin Seymour
Breeder/Owner Greg Mitchell
Breeder/Owner/Trainer Vicki Rasmussen
Owner/Trainer/Media/Country Club Anthony Collins
Owner/Trainer/Driver/BOTRA Pres Peter McMullen
Albion Park Club Chairman/Media David Fowler
Redcliffe Club Chairman Bernie Ring
QRIC Commissioner Ross Barnett
QRIC Chief Steward David Farquharson
UBET Brad Tamer

See any names that have become news Items lately . And I can see a couple more that are about to become very newsworthy.....
Seriously... you wonder why I get upset...MILLIONS of dollars of YOUR earnings are going to HELP PERPETUATE this NATIONAL JOKE...and meanwhile, you have NO facilities NO Breeding scheme....HALF the prizemoney that you should be entitled to AND...AND they want to profit from the crime that was the "Amalgamation" and sell YOUR Equity in Albion Park..... SOMEBODY needs to ask why ? In the nicest possible way WHY?
In the now Immortal never to be forgotten words of the Redhead : PLEASE EXPLAIN.

I am going to have a BEX and a good lie down.


Michael Geraghty
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11 Dec 2017 10:12


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Truck Mcnamara wrote:

I think both of you should get off this topic for a while as it is being read by alot of people who have said to me that these 2 (i won't say wat they said)blokes need to button up+have there differances soughted out somewhere away from the forum.I no both of you+respect all ure views but not on here fellas.

Truck,
You mentioned a word in your post, "Respect".
Thanks for that and I always respect those who show me the same.
It's an important word.
It's the very thing that was missing at the start of this ridiculous debacle, so it was never going to be returned with love and kisses.

I'm more than happy to finish it here because it was going no-where in a hurry.
Having said that, there is not a hope in this life, or the next, of me not standing up for my integrity against a pathetic attempt at character assassination and defamation, along with continuing innuendos, especially when they were not provoked and they are clearly not true.
I have no problem in doing that, whether it be on a forum or anywhere else.
You can bet on it.

Mr. Handyside, more than happy to grant your wish that I ignore your posts from now on. It's a blessing.
Just one condition...you do exactly the same with mine.
Seems like a fair deal to me.

I pardon you.

Tally ho.




Robert Handyside
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This one needs no commentary !

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Kev Galloway
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kev galloway wrote:

kev galloway wrote:

Rob,why do you suppose that NO ONE from the Brisbane Greyhound Racing Club complained when it was inferred that harness owned Albion Park ?With the greyhound Board member an ex president and also president with 2 fellow Brisbane greyhound club members on the advisory panel,WHY on earth would you expect this panel to be transparent and accountable? remember September 2010 after Parklands closed? leopards DON'Tchange their spots.

And was not the Qld Racing Integrity Commission set up by this Labour government with ANIMAL WELFARE as one of it's main objectives?so WHY no accountability or transparency by Racing Qlds greyhound advisory panel which includes the head of the commission and it's chief steward?All of these indivuals have the FOL greyhound welfare statistics prior to 2010 at their disposal,and still Racing Qld continue with their SHAM FOL trialing which is doing little for greyhound welfare and plenty for the GAP expansion.Is it any wonder their Advisory meeting minutes are all confidential?

The Racing Qld Board,the Integrity Commission and the CEO and Advisory Panel all apparently suffer dyslexia,the month of October saw 99 greyhounds retired from the industry, just watch Racing Qld, the Integrity Commission, Dale Cartwright and his Advisory Panel, and the CEO all ignore the 2010 FOL statistics and make sure the GAP expands at the expense of greyhound welfare.the New Zealand greyhound administrators make complete dunces of this lot.



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This is a MUST READ !!!!

Apparently, I am NOT Robinson Crusoe.....The Beginning of the End ?
It cannot come Quick enough....!

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Robert Handyside
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Kevin.....You have to rid yourselves of Trojan Horses....The Q.G.B.O.T.A. has to start realising and put : NO CONFIDENCE motions in to the Govt. on them......... They are easy to distinguish as they speak in "Tongues" i.e....."Klip Klop Kerching "
"Klip Klop Kerching.
You will NEVER have any success until the Trojan Horses are removed......Or at least publicly identified.



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Another little snippet that I picked up on the internet from Oct. last year......Reason I am reprinting it is to marvel at the AGE of the steward concerned and how young they start to run off the rails.......Also how severe the criticism was from QRIC....[Tantamount to being vigorously slapped across the wrist with a wet bus ticket eh.

7 October 2016

Resignation notice QRIC Steward

A 23-year-old harness steward has resigned from the Queensland Racing Integrity Commission (QRIC), following an investigation into his conduct.

Information was provided to the Commission by an industry participant about the steward, who was allegedly giving advanced notice to harness participants about spot inspections at their properties.

The information was referred to the Crime and Corruption Commission (CCC) by QRIC Commissioner Ross Barnett for independent investigation.

The steward was stood down on October 1, and resigned this morning.
Commissioner Barnett said he took any allegation of staff misconduct within the QRIC seriously.

It is vital that our stewards act with professionalism and integrity during the course of their duties, Commissioner Barnett said.

Any allegations of serious misconduct by staff will be immediately and independently investigated, and we will respond firmly but fairly where misconduct is proven.

We will not have the moral authority and support of participants to enforce integrity standards in the racing industry if we dont demonstrate that we maintain high behavioural standards internally.

Im disappointed that this misconduct has occurred, however I am grateful that the behaviour was brought to my attention by members of the industry, so we could take action to rectify the issue.

I want to reassure the community that the QRIC is committed to upholding integrity within the racing industry in Queensland.
Here it is AGAIN FOLKS

I want to reassure the community that the QRIC is committed to upholding integrity within the racing industry in Queensland.

Like a record going around again and again with a big scratch in it.

Aren't they lucky that they have recently had an influx of manpower that actually know what they are doing.




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Great to have some continuity in QLD here's hoping HinchInbrook can achieve something Grace couldn't ,which would be give the Greyhound industry a fair go.An additional 2 new tracks and Market share are the most pressing issues. Only time will tell.



Robert Handyside
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Sean Galloway wrote:

Great to have some continuity in QLD here's hoping HinchInbrook can achieve something Grace couldn't ,which would be give the Greyhound industry a fair go.An additional 2 new tracks and Market share are the most pressing issues. Only time will tell.

Couldn't agree more Sean...



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Found this press release from Racing Qld.

28 Jul 2017

Racing Queensland (RQ) has announced a 9.8% increase in overall wagering results for the 2016/17 financial year.

Racing Queensland CEO, Dr Eliot Forbes said the pleasing results flow from a successful Winter Racing Carnival and Summer Racing Carnival, a restructured racing program and quality racing backed by local and interstate participation.

The results include:
Thoroughbreds 12.8% year on year growth
Greyhounds 8.4% year on year growth
Harness 4.5% year on year decline

The growth in thoroughbred racing is particularly pleasing in a year where we restructured the Winter Carnival including shortening the Doomben 10,000 and scheduling it two weeks before the Stradbroke. As a result wagering turnover increased by 7% for the event.

What is also significant is that the performance of Eagle Farm surface saw us move some of the Winter Carnival events to Doomben. Despite the move, the events were well supported by quality races and local and interstate participation.

We achieved our objective of providing an optimal progression of race distances for the Group 1 races in the Doomben 10,000 at 1200m, the BTC Cup at 1300m and the Stradbroke Handicap at 1400m.

The Winter Racing Carnival resulted in an increase in turnover of 14% across domestic wagering operators. One of the most positive aspects of the results was wagering support for provincial meetings including the Toowoomba Weetwood day, which was up 31%, the Ipswich Cup day was up 8% and the Caloundra Cup day which increased by 32%.

The increases indicate that the quality of racing in our provincial markets is attracting punter interest from across the country.

The Winter Carnival gained a new national audience online and on free-to-air with agreements increasing exposure through racing.com, Channel 7 and Sky Racing through Thoroughbred Central.

RQ has been supporting our provincial and country race meetings, particularly during the Winter Carnival, with our Were Racing Everywhere campaign highlighting the depth and quality of racing on offer in Queensland across all three codes.

The 2016/17 Summer Carnival was also a success increasing 7.1% compared to last season. Given there was one less meeting in the year, on a per race basis this equated to an increase in average turnover of 22.4%

The Magic Millions Gold Coast race day was once again the major drawcard with total turnover increasing by 16%. The UBET Summer Crown Bonuses provided a unique focal point and the second edition State of Origin Jockey series was run over the Summer Carnival with wagering growth on the programs of 6.6% per race.

The 2016/17 8.4% wagering increase for Queensland greyhound racing comes despite there being nine less TAB meetings for greyhounds than the previous year. The majority of affected meetings can be attributed to extreme weather factors associated with Cyclone Debbie and the subsequent flooding and damage. The wagering growth was reflected in not only metropolitan areas but provincial and country regions.

In Queensland harness racing the decline of 4.5% in wagering comes after four consecutive years of growth giving the code an increase of 22% over the five year period. Early indications suggest turnover figures were on an upward trend towards positive growth in the final quarter of the 2016/17 financial year.
XX XX XX XX

Read these descriptions of the results and tell me if they are not biased....(1) Pure Facts for your part [Greyhounds]
(2) Waxing lyrical and explanations galore for the Thoroughbreds
(3)Excuses galore and reasons for spreading it over 5 year period to cover up the disaster that is Harness Racing..... never mentioning that Your earnings were used to subsidise what we now know to be a National Joke.... Nothing to say that upon the most cursory examination...it becomes obvious that the totes for Harness were being manipulated to put them in a better light ...IN THE 4 YEARS that he has added on

The man is speaking in "Tongues"

If I can still find it I will put up further proof that he has every intention of Keeping HIS boot firmly down on your throat.


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WHY does greyhound welfare in Qld stagnate on the backburner?In 2010 the Albion Park suspension rate was 1 in 69 races,by 2012 WITHOUT the FOL the suspension rate had increased to 1 in 12.5 races and continues to increase,this sham FOL trial was supposed to be for 3 months,how much longer is this CEO,Dale Cartwright and his advisory panel going to oversee at least 200 greyhounds expelled from the race track each year unnecessarily?with the GAP the only beneficiary.

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