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Anthony Jeffress
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"The harness code will receive an additional annual $400,000 to assist with a commercialisation strategy to generate revenue. This will include additional races to help improve the overall profitability of the code and grow participation opportunities particularly at the grass roots level...."

Hmmmm, I would have thought that the Harness Racing code was fairing "pretty darn well" already; especially with the numerous "Jackpot" and (huge) "Guaranteed pools" (certainly when compared with the size and number of those "afforded to" the Greyhound Code).

One could easily speculate that this may have had a lot to do with certain "influences" and "major benefactors" who are operating solely within (and therefore seem to focus on) the one code ... more than the others, at the least ???

The irony (that's the kind description) is not lost on me that the Harness Code is to receive an INCREASE at a time where there are a decent percentage of its local participants who are embroiled in serious misconduct and alleged "race fixing" inquiries. If some of the "talk" is close to the mark, more "names" could yet be revealed to face very serious charges and allegations ... and it is not beyond the realms of possibility that as high as 10% of the Trainers / Drivers could be implicated.

Now -the above being said - remind me again: What was meted out to "us" (the greyhound code) where a VERY SMALL MINORITY (around 2% at one point) were accused of some form of alleged involvement in cases of "live baiting"??? Hmmmmmmm .....


Michael Geraghty
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10 Jan 2018 02:48


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Anthony Jeffress wrote:

Now -the above being said - remind me again: What was meted out to "us" (the greyhound code) where a VERY SMALL MINORITY (around 2% at one point) were accused of some form of alleged involvement in cases of "live baiting"??? Hmmmmmmm .....

It was to the tune of around 30% REDUCTION in prize money and starters fees, Anthony.

Give or take a million or ten.


Anthony Jeffress
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And did someone say "Breeding Scheme"?!

What Breeding Scheme, you ask?! ;-)

Key Officials (Board) sacked unceremoniously you say?

And slandered as an industry from pillar to post in the media by "our" supposed "representatives"?

AHHHHH, that's right .... It's obviously WHO YOU ARE and WHO YOU KNOW that determines what "punishment" is dished out ... ;-)


Michael Geraghty
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10 Jan 2018 03:09


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Anthony Jeffress wrote:

And did someone say "Breeding Scheme"?!

What Breeding Scheme, you ask?! ;-)

I'm guessing there might be a smell of one in here...
"...which includes $800k for sustainability measures..."

Maybe...


Casey Dargusch
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10 Jan 2018 03:48


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Michael Geraghty wrote:

Anthony Jeffress wrote:

And did someone say "Breeding Scheme"?!

What Breeding Scheme, you ask?! ;-)

I'm guessing there might be a smell of one in here...
"...which includes $800k for sustainability measures..."

Maybe...


Mick we have been told in no uncertain terms the current government will NOT allow a breeding scheme. However there are other ways they are looking at, which I think will be better. Let's be honest breeding schemes in qld have never worked the last couple I remember weren't that's for sure.

To answer Kevs question about FOL. A decision was to be made at the last panel meeting but after a few disgruntled trainers against it contacted RQ they then decided to do a survey which will be sent to participants shortly. Also there will be no chance of it being introduced at ALL meetings. My belief is it will operated the same as it is now. Selected meetings.


Kev Galloway
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10 Jan 2018 04:13


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Anthony Jeffress wrote:

And did someone say "Breeding Scheme"?!

What Breeding Scheme, you ask?! ;-)

Key Officials (Board) sacked unceremoniously you say?

And slandered as an industry from pillar to post in the media by "our" supposed "representatives"?

AHHHHH, that's right .... It's obviously WHO YOU ARE and WHO YOU KNOW that determines what "punishment" is dished out ... ;-)


Well obviously Racing Qld consider a few disgruntled trainers (R.K clones)MORE important than greyhound welfare forget about integrity and NO mention of the $10,000,000 replacement one turn replacement track for Parklands which could go some way to improve greyhound welfare.Dale Cartwright and his panel have none.


Michael Geraghty
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10 Jan 2018 04:17


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casey dargusch wrote:

Michael Geraghty wrote:

Anthony Jeffress wrote:

And did someone say "Breeding Scheme"?!

What Breeding Scheme, you ask?! ;-)

I'm guessing there might be a smell of one in here...
"...which includes $800k for sustainability measures..."

Maybe...


Mick we have been told in no uncertain terms the current government will NOT allow a breeding scheme. However there are other ways they are looking at, which I think will be better. Let's be honest breeding schemes in qld have never worked the last couple I remember weren't that's for sure.

To answer Kevs question about FOL. A decision was to be made at the last panel meeting but after a few disgruntled trainers against it contacted RQ they then decided to do a survey which will be sent to participants shortly. Also there will be no chance of it being introduced at ALL meetings. My belief is it will operated the same as it is now. Selected meetings.

That doesn't surprise me at all, Case.
The term "Breeder's Scheme" doesn't have to appear at all.
Breeders bonuses, Qbred races, Qbred series would all help.

It needs to happen NOW. A la VICTORIA!


Casey Dargusch
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10 Jan 2018 04:29


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Michael Geraghty wrote:

casey dargusch wrote:

Michael Geraghty wrote:

Anthony Jeffress wrote:

And did someone say "Breeding Scheme"?!

What Breeding Scheme, you ask?! ;-)

I'm guessing there might be a smell of one in here...
"...which includes $800k for sustainability measures..."

Maybe...


Mick we have been told in no uncertain terms the current government will NOT allow a breeding scheme. However there are other ways they are looking at, which I think will be better. Let's be honest breeding schemes in qld have never worked the last couple I remember weren't that's for sure.

To answer Kevs question about FOL. A decision was to be made at the last panel meeting but after a few disgruntled trainers against it contacted RQ they then decided to do a survey which will be sent to participants shortly. Also there will be no chance of it being introduced at ALL meetings. My belief is it will operated the same as it is now. Selected meetings.

That doesn't surprise me at all, Case.
The term "Breeder's Scheme" doesn't have to appear at all.
Breeders bonuses, Qbred races, Qbred series would all help.

It needs to happen NOW. A la VICTORIA!

That's exactly what rq are thinking. It just needs to be worded right. They understand breeding numbers need to increase ASAP.


Casey Dargusch
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10 Jan 2018 04:33


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Kev they have the same attitude as you. What their opinion is on the FOL is the right one. Rq are doing the survey so ALL participants can have their say. Then the decision whatever it may be can't be disputed as its been done on facts. Not all are either for or against. I myself have no firm belief either way. It will suit some dogs and it won't suit others. surely blind Freddie can see they way its operating now it the best democratic way to run it. If you don't want to race on it don't nominate simple.


Michael Geraghty
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10 Jan 2018 04:47


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casey dargusch wrote:

Michael Geraghty wrote:

casey dargusch wrote:

Michael Geraghty wrote:

Anthony Jeffress wrote:

And did someone say "Breeding Scheme"?!

What Breeding Scheme, you ask?! ;-)

I'm guessing there might be a smell of one in here...
"...which includes $800k for sustainability measures..."

Maybe...


Mick we have been told in no uncertain terms the current government will NOT allow a breeding scheme. However there are other ways they are looking at, which I think will be better. Let's be honest breeding schemes in qld have never worked the last couple I remember weren't that's for sure.

To answer Kevs question about FOL. A decision was to be made at the last panel meeting but after a few disgruntled trainers against it contacted RQ they then decided to do a survey which will be sent to participants shortly. Also there will be no chance of it being introduced at ALL meetings. My belief is it will operated the same as it is now. Selected meetings.

That doesn't surprise me at all, Case.
The term "Breeder's Scheme" doesn't have to appear at all.
Breeders bonuses, Qbred races, Qbred series would all help.

It needs to happen NOW. A la VICTORIA!

That's exactly what rq are thinking. It just needs to be worded right. They understand breeding numbers need to increase ASAP.

GOOD!!!!
If they need a hand with the wording I'm just a phone call away...lol.
Something like..."Here you go, here's $10 million, go breed your next champion!"
They might also like to have a close look at reducing fees and restrictions.


Casey Dargusch
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Lol I believe sustainability is the word that will be used. And I think you'll find there will be some help in those fee areas. All in all I believe it's all a positive step forward for us.


Michael Geraghty
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10 Jan 2018 05:17


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casey dargusch wrote:

Lol I believe sustainability is the word that will be used. And I think you'll find there will be some help in those fee areas. All in all I believe it's all a positive step forward for us.

That's good, Case.
I'm glad they listened to me then...



Robert Handyside
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10 Jan 2018 07:16


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casey dargusch wrote:

Lol I believe sustainability is the word that will be used. And I think you'll find there will be some help in those fee areas. All in all I believe it's all a positive step forward for us.

Watched Monty Python and the Black Knight....[With all his "Flesh Wounds"] the other night.........Too many people are willing to give up after a "Flesh Wound"

You are NEVER DEFEATED.....until you "GIVE UP"

There was approx. 4000 views between the recent posts each time.....NEVER underestimate the power of this site and /or the name of the " QGBOTA." and give thanks and support to both of them.



Steven Martin
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10 Jan 2018 10:03


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casey dargusch wrote:

Mick we have been told in no uncertain terms the current government will NOT allow a breeding scheme. However there are other ways they are looking at, which I think will be better.


Over the last 24 months, Scare Tactics have been employed by those in control to reverse over-breeding (their conclusion) to an extent which they thought was acceptable.

The MacSporran report suggested changes that were laughable to those in the greyhound industry that had "Fair & Just VIEWS"...not to mention decades of experience.

Litter requirements were drafted & put in place immediately, along with fees that in most cases were doubled...all intended on putting the brakes on.

Then the suggestions of the - Breeding diary & Puppy Bonds (which are on hold atm) added further fuel to the fire, that was already well & truly alight...but still the do-gooders thought they were right.

Where do I stop...Well after this last rant, as everybody I seem to know has a story (or 3 dozen to tell) about incompetency levels over the last 30 months in regards to "Lost litter registrations papers" & the like...which ONE Liz Murray use to handle back in the day, MISTAKE-FREE for more years than I can remember. What a great woman. Vote 1 for Liz.

So the government won't allow a Greyhound breeding scheme I hear....but are now promising (STILL BLOODY WAITING ON A PROMISE FROM 9 YEARS AGO) 3 million to the industry?

Well before any of that money is distributed (that's if we get it), all BREEDING FEES should be dropped to encourage breeders, because without the whelping of litters in this ONCE GREAT STATE, WE DON'T HAVE AN INDUSTRY and at the moment its far from healthy.

Regulations for Greyhound breeders in Queensland should be moved immediately with the help of this money.

I put forward the following -

All Breeding Fee's to be waived for a trial period of 30 months (till the end of financial year 30th Jun 2020).

& so the offer can't be abused, a limit of no more than "2 litters per year, per married or defacto-couple".

It's not much but it's a step in the right direction & would show a positive move from the PTB.

It would equate to around $200,000 going off an estimate of 500 litters being whelped over that 30 month period.

ACTION NEEDS TO BE TAKEN NOW.


Casey Dargusch
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Rebates for QRIC and GA charges

For a period of 5 months commencing on 1 February 2018, RQ will provide a rebate to the cost of a number of QRIC and Greyhounds Australasia charges. They include registration of breeding females, DNA analysis for named female greyhounds and litter registration

In addition to the $3 million allocation, $220k will be distributed to a number of feature events. The highlights include: Winter Cup $150k total prizemoney ($100k to the winner), Ipswich Cup increased to Group 2 prizemoney, a new State of Origin series to be added to the Winter Carnival and minimum feature race prizemoney increased to $2.5k.



Steven Martin
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Yeah, finally some direction.

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For a period of 5 months commencing on 1 February 2018, RQ will provide a rebate to the cost of a number of QRIC and Greyhounds Australasia charges. They include registration of breeding females, DNA analysis for named female greyhounds and litter registration

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This news is very welcoming for Queenslanders (now it's in black 'n' white) so on behalf of all participants, I say thank you.

The only thing that's disappointing is the 5 month rebate period. The offer seems a bit on the skinny side. Personally, I did suggest 30 months but 12 months I thought would have been the minimum...now that "Requirements" for some bitches may have a 12 month waiting period between litters, such as the "2 litters in 18 months rule".

Hi Casey & Happy New Year (say hello to Clarky). Since your on the panel, can you find out whether this rebate is ongoing after the June 30th deadline? For example, if your bitch whelps a litter on June the 29th, are all the rebates still included until the litter is fully registered?
I believe the answer would be yes, but it's unclear.


Michael Geraghty
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11 Jan 2018 04:36


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casey dargusch wrote:

Rebates for QRIC and GA charges

For a period of 5 months commencing on 1 February 2018, RQ will provide a rebate to the cost of a number of QRIC and Greyhounds Australasia charges. They include registration of breeding females, DNA analysis for named female greyhounds and litter registration

In addition to the $3 million allocation, $220k will be distributed to a number of feature events. The highlights include: Winter Cup $150k total prizemoney ($100k to the winner), Ipswich Cup increased to Group 2 prizemoney, a new State of Origin series to be added to the Winter Carnival and minimum feature race prizemoney increased to $2.5k.

I hope RQ will review the rebate period after 5 months with a possibility to extend it past next breeding season and maybe beyond, because this season is already half way through.
It will take a lot more time to make up some lost ground in numbers.
Great initiative, hope they can see that it is extremely important to give this TIME, because people now have to change tact, acquire broods, plan, save, and action their plans.

Beat me to it, Steve.



Casey Dargusch
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I can't state for certain. But Dale is all for getting breeding numbers up. I'm sure that a review after this period will be looked at and an extension possible. 12 months is an ideal time frame in my opinion.

Happy new year Stevo. I will say hello to the old boy. Next panel meeting is in a few weeks I'm sure I will have more info after that I can pass on.



John Watts
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A tentative step in the right direction, clawing back some lost ground and some new initiatives certainly a brighter start than other years. Grading needs attention, Prize money parity for the northern TAB tracks needs attention in comparison to Brisbane based TAB meetings other than Thursdays.And a roll out timeframe for the works and monies announced last year would be helpful but any positive news is good news.


Casey Dargusch
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11 Jan 2018 08:54


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John Watts wrote:

A tentative step in the right direction, clawing back some lost ground and some new initiatives certainly a brighter start than other years. Grading needs attention, Prize money parity for the northern TAB tracks needs attention in comparison to Brisbane based TAB meetings other than Thursdays.And a roll out timeframe for the works and monies announced last year would be helpful but any positive news is good news.

Dale has a saying. He has a concrete slab, he won't put the roof on until he builds the walls. Every little bit is a positive and shows we are moving in the right direction. I know it's all been a long time coming but the future is looking a lot brighter.

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