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Nathan Trigg Australia (Verified User) Posts 516 Dogs 20 / Races 28 25 Feb 2018 03:30
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Surely RQ can't be all about governance, there has to be someone employed who's job is to promote greyhound PR and growing the sport.....
Cynthia Suttle Australia (Verified User) Posts 195 Dogs 0 / Races 0 27 Feb 2018 23:24
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I have just sent an email to [email protected] regarding the Draft Proposal whereby concessions will be given to interstate greyhounds. Interstate greyhounds will be able to win through their grades before coming to Qld. These dogs will then be eligible for 5th grade under the new proposal.
What are Queenslander's thoughts on this?
Paul Haig Australia (Verified User) Posts 57 Dogs 0 / Races 0 28 Feb 2018 00:24
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On paper it certainly sounds wrong and I agree with u Cynthia but I don`t think we need to worry about good vic dogs coming up here to win 1 or 2 5th grades at albion with the state of he industry here.
Cynthia Suttle Australia (Verified User) Posts 195 Dogs 0 / Races 0 28 Feb 2018 00:36
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paul haig wrote:
On paper it certainly sounds wrong and I agree with u Cynthia but I don`t think we need to worry about good vic dogs coming up here to win 1 or 2 5th grades at albion with the state of he industry here.
Hi Paul. My main problem concerns dogs from northern NSW being able to win through their grades before coming to Qld and lob into a 5th grade. Also, Qld trainers can win their maiden and novice here and then skip over the border, win through their grades, then come back here. Not every trainer is in a position, or has the inclination, to race over the border but those that do so will have a distinct advantage. Grading is grading - how can you just change the goal posts? Also, I envisage many dogs being transferred to Qld trainers when they have become outgraded in other States. Why breed and race in Qld - no incentive whatsoever. It's all about the chronic shortage of nominations - I believe the proposal will exacerbate the problem in the short term until we become a dumping ground for interstate dogs. GAP better extend their kennels.
Paul Haig Australia (Verified User) Posts 57 Dogs 0 / Races 0 28 Feb 2018 01:04
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Cynthia Suttle wrote:
paul haig wrote:
On paper it certainly sounds wrong and I agree with u Cynthia but I don`t think we need to worry about good vic dogs coming up here to win 1 or 2 5th grades at albion with the state of he industry here.
Hi Paul. My main problem concerns dogs from northern NSW being able to win through their grades before coming to Qld and lob into a 5th grade. Also, Qld trainers can win their maiden and novice here and then skip over the border, win through their grades, then come back here. Not every trainer is in a position, or has the inclination, to race over the border but those that do so will have a distinct advantage. Grading is grading - how can you just change the goal posts? Also, I envisage many dogs being transferred to Qld trainers when they have become outgraded in other States. Why breed and race in Qld - no incentive whatsoever. It's all about the chronic shortage of nominations - I believe the proposal will exacerbate the problem in the short term until we become a dumping ground for interstate dogs. GAP better extend their kennels.
Paul Haig Australia (Verified User) Posts 57 Dogs 0 / Races 0 28 Feb 2018 01:10
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I understand Cynthia shortage of noms is always going to be a problem did u look sun nite fields at ippy all races over 288 interested to hear what u think about that Cheers
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 28 Feb 2018 01:51
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Cynthia Suttle wrote:
I have just sent an email to [email protected] regarding the Draft Proposal whereby concessions will be given to interstate greyhounds. Interstate greyhounds will be able to win through their grades before coming to Qld. These dogs will then be eligible for 5th grade under the new proposal.
What are Queenslander's thoughts on this?
Hi Cynthia.
The idea is already a "Shot-Duck" imo.
VERY STATE is already on "Scab Duty" & urgently need EVERY Greyhound to survive due to the "Do-Gooders" & their "I'm always right attitude".
I told them. WE TOLD THEM....but they wouldn't listen. Now they're looking for a QUICK FIX, due to the shortage so they can regain their jobs, because they have nothing left to do since they F@#ked the industry with rules, rules, rules & now criminal like stalking.
Why would interstate owners want to send their greyhounds to Brisbane where's there just 2 circle tracks with sh1tty corner starts ON BOTH, 70% of races are over those horrid distances, no races for 520m once you reach "3rd Grade & over", 700m racing is now non-existent, & promises to the industry that have not been delivered in almost 10 years.
If they introduce this rule, the only thing that will happen is ABUSE from those that live on the other side of the TWEED river...and they already come.
They'd be better off focusing ALL their energy on a NEW ONE TURN TRACK & get it up & running BLOODY NOW (12 months), with distances that range from 480m (top corner start), 410m (half to 1/4 straight start)...Then target the MATURE-AGED greyhounds & increase their racing careers, extend breeding incentives to a maximum of 160 litters per financial year (on average = 1000 pups).
This hopefully will rejuvenate the industry that was brought to its knees, thanks to fabricated stories like "ONE PUP LITTERS & ERNIE", who incidentally never stepped foot in Australia and was just a made up myth found on the dark-wide-web.
At the moment the industry in Queensland is halfway down a bloody steep hill with no brakes, & we're just about to realise the handbrake is of no use.
288m racing.....WHAT A JOKE, when you've got a club like BUNDABERG that fields races over 460m.
MAKE BUNDABERG TAB & DUMP 1 RACE MEETING AT IPPY OR ALBION. ITS TIME.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 28 Feb 2018 02:08
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Cynthia Suttle wrote:
paul haig wrote:
On paper it certainly sounds wrong and I agree with u Cynthia but I don`t think we need to worry about good vic dogs coming up here to win 1 or 2 5th grades at albion with the state of he industry here.
Hi Paul. My main problem concerns dogs from northern NSW being able to win through their grades before coming to Qld and lob into a 5th grade. Also, Qld trainers can win their maiden and novice here and then skip over the border, win through their grades, then come back here. Not every trainer is in a position, or has the inclination, to race over the border but those that do so will have a distinct advantage. Grading is grading - how can you just change the goal posts? Also, I envisage many dogs being transferred to Qld trainers when they have become outgraded in other States. Why breed and race in Qld - no incentive whatsoever. It's all about the chronic shortage of nominations - I believe the proposal will exacerbate the problem in the short term until we become a dumping ground for interstate dogs. GAP better extend their kennels.
Hi Cynthia, As far as I can understand, the proposal was to gauge participants reactions to it...they probably have a fair idea now what a lot of people think.
The proposal states that UPGRADING RULES still apply to interstate wins, so in reality, most seasoned dogs would only have the advantage of maybe one grade, which will NOT entice many at all. Say for eg an interstate 2nd grader lobs here, it might become a 3rd grade, but that defeats the purpose as that dog might get into a b8 anyway...
As it stands, my take on it is it will not attract ANY more dogs here, especially Vic dogs who can stay where they are and race in 5th grades rather than race in higher grades here. By the time someone pays for transport to get the dog in QLD, even if they do gain a grade, half that is gone on trans costs...
The upgrading rule (6 wins = get penalty) needs to go as it can rob a dog from winning it's basic 5th grade wins allocation, if it has the audacity to wins a heat and final along the way to 6 wins. Their first priority should be to KEEP the dogs we have here from going OUT! It needs to be replaced by a fairer policy and at the same time protect the younger dogs coming through so they don't meet up with dogs that have won plenty.
Just my thoughts.
Rob Wall Australia (Verified User) Posts 151 Dogs 6 / Races 0 28 Feb 2018 02:53
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i dont know about a shortage iv nom for a novice 2 weeks in a row sunday albion and ipswich cant even get a reserve he sits at home again where is not required list why has ipswich only 10 races on sunday i will ring them
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 28 Feb 2018 08:15
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Hello.
10 races at BUNDABERG this week. 4 are Cup heats over 550m. The remaining 6 races are over 460m.
I'm sure the punters would prefer to bet on Bundaberg then the pathetic bottom of the barrel 288m races... x 10.
It's plain ignorance. What a waste.
Patrick D'Arcy Australia (Verified User) Posts 188 Dogs 3 / Races 0 28 Feb 2018 08:27
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steven martin wrote:
Cynthia Suttle wrote:
I have just sent an email to [email protected] regarding the Draft Proposal whereby concessions will be given to interstate greyhounds. Interstate greyhounds will be able to win through their grades before coming to Qld. These dogs will then be eligible for 5th grade under the new proposal.
What are Queenslander's thoughts on this?
Hi Cynthia.
The idea is already a "Shot-Duck" imo.
VERY STATE is already on "Scab Duty" & urgently need EVERY Greyhound to survive due to the "Do-Gooders" & their "I'm always right attitude".
I told them. WE TOLD THEM....but they wouldn't listen. Now they're looking for a QUICK FIX, due to the shortage so they can regain their jobs, because they have nothing left to do since they F@#ked the industry with rules, rules, rules & now criminal like stalking.
Why would interstate owners want to send their greyhounds to Brisbane where's there just 2 circle tracks with sh1tty corner starts ON BOTH, 70% of races are over those horrid distances, no races for 520m once you reach "3rd Grade & over", 700m racing is now non-existent, & promises to the industry that have not been delivered in almost 10 years.
If they introduce this rule, the only thing that will happen is ABUSE from those that live on the other side of the TWEED river...and they already come.
They'd be better off focusing ALL their energy on a NEW ONE TURN TRACK & get it up & running BLOODY NOW (12 months), with distances that range from 480m (top corner start), 410m (half to 1/4 straight start)...Then target the MATURE-AGED greyhounds & increase their racing careers, extend breeding incentives to a maximum of 160 litters per financial year (on average = 1000 pups).
This hopefully will rejuvenate the industry that was brought to its knees, thanks to fabricated stories like "ONE PUP LITTERS & ERNIE", who incidentally never stepped foot in Australia and was just a made up myth found on the dark-wide-web.
At the moment the industry in Queensland is halfway down a bloody steep hill with no brakes, & we're just about to realise the handbrake is of no use.
288m racing.....WHAT A JOKE, when you've got a club like BUNDABERG that fields races over 460m.
MAKE BUNDABERG TAB & DUMP 1 RACdE MEETING AT IPPY OR ALBION. ITS TIME.
I have 5 pups,from 2 litters, that are being reared in Bundy Qld & will hopefully be ready to begin their race careers sometime in the spring of this year. Unfortunately, work commitments won't always allow me to watch them live & even more unfortunate is the fact should they start off in Bundaberg itself, I may not get the chance to have a flutter as its a non TAB track. So I'm with you Steve both on a personal perspective & the fact TAB & SKY coverage for Bundy is a no brainer. Many of my friends & work associates have expressed a keen interest in purchasing pups from me, but for the reasons that I've already mentioned, have been put off
Ricky Hassall Australia (Verified User) Posts 227 Dogs 21 / Races 2 28 Feb 2018 10:45
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steven martin wrote:
Hello.
10 races at BUNDABERG this week. 4 are Cup heats over 550m. The remaining 6 races are over 460m.
I'm sure the punters would prefer to bet on Bundaberg then the pathetic bottom of the barrel 288m races... x 10.
It's plain ignorance. What a waste.
Its very political Steve. I agree Bundaberg should be TAB......long ago. But BGRC don't want to lose a meeting......either does Ipswich......so we don't have their support.
What can you do?
Ricky Hassall Australia (Verified User) Posts 227 Dogs 21 / Races 2 28 Feb 2018 10:56
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Nathan Trigg wrote:
Surely RQ can't be all about governance, there has to be someone employed who's job is to promote greyhound PR and growing the sport.....
I couldn't agree more Nathan. Who at RQ is 'promoting' the sport of greyhound racing?
Can anyone answer?
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 28 Feb 2018 11:48
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Ricki Hassall wrote:
Its very political Steve. I agree Bundaberg should be TAB......long ago. But BGRC don't want to lose a meeting......either does Ipswich......so we don't have their support.
What can you do?
We won't have to do anything Ricki, as with the introduction of 288m racing, this state is getting near the end of the line. RQ will have no option but to sacrifice a meeting (or 2) due to the shortage of noms......and the worse is yet to come.
They are obviously starting to panic so maybe they should start listening. My advice would be to get on the front foot NOW and get the ball rolling in the City of Rum.
Rob Wall Australia (Verified User) Posts 151 Dogs 6 / Races 0 28 Feb 2018 21:48
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what are your talking about shortage 150 noms for sunday ipswich so 50 dogs sit home
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 01 Mar 2018 00:08
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rob wall wrote:
what are your talking about shortage 150 noms for sunday ipswich so 50 dogs sit home
150 noms for Sunday at Ipswich & all racing are over 288m = SMOKE & MIRRORS Rob.
It also = DESPERATE MEASURES (which I've nothing against due to the predicament we find ourselves in) and obviously, with old greyhounds targeted & coming out of retirement to race, I hope the Vet is well prepared.
Safe racing all.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 01 Mar 2018 00:54
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rob wall wrote:
what are your talking about shortage 150 noms for sunday ipswich so 50 dogs sit home
Rob, I wouldn't be gauging that as no shortage at all. The call for extended noms 7 DAYS a week is a truer indication. The sad fact of the matter is more people choose to nom 288 because they didn't want their dogs on the corner 431 I'm guessing. With only 1 1/2 weeks notice for trainers to switch from Albion to Ips, a lot, including me, were trialling at Albion in readiness to race THERE and got caught out.
I'm fairly certain that the glut of noms for 288 is not because of the wonderful opportunity to race your dogs from that start on a track with little camber, full speed into the corner on a 50m run up, and was never designed to be a one turn corner start.
All of which paints a clear picture of the diabolical ridiculous and farcical situation we find ourselves in with no bloody proper one turn track.
I've already started to pray that it doesn't turn into a blood bath.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 01 Mar 2018 02:00
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Michael Geraghty wrote:
wonderful opportunity to race your dogs from that start on a track with little camber, full speed into the corner on a 50m run up, and was never designed to be a one turn corner start.
Exactly my point regarding my Vet comment Michael.
8 Dogs hitting that corner all at once...I hope the activists aren't down the local Pub watching.. & are at church.
Darren Russell Australia (Verified User) Posts 97 Dogs 0 / Races 0 01 Mar 2018 02:34
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Hi Cynthia , all this is giving interstate dogs the same advantage we get going interstate to race as 5th graders , if you've won 2 city races same rules should apply , 4th grade in all distance groups .
Kev Galloway Australia (Verified User) Posts 2447 Dogs 5 / Races 0 01 Mar 2018 03:47
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Michael Geraghty wrote:
rob wall wrote:
what are your talking about shortage 150 noms for sunday ipswich so 50 dogs sit home
Rob, I wouldn't be gauging that as no shortage at all. The call for extended noms 7 DAYS a week is a truer indication. The sad fact of the matter is more people choose to nom 288 because they didn't want their dogs on the corner 431 I'm guessing. With only 1 1/2 weeks notice for trainers to switch from Albion to Ips, a lot, including me, were trialling at Albion in readiness to race THERE and got caught out.
I'm fairly certain that the glut of noms for 288 is not because of the wonderful opportunity to race your dogs from that start on a track with little camber, full speed into the corner on a 50m run up, and was never designed to be a one turn corner start.
All of which paints a clear picture of the diabolical ridiculous and farcical situation we find ourselves in with no bloody proper one turn track.
I've already started to pray that it doesn't turn into a blood bath.
It's 10 years this September Parklands closed,Racing Qld received $10,000,000 to replace the one turn track,and what have the drones at Racing Qld done?nothing because it will impact on the thoroughbreds market share,greyhound welfare isn't on their agenda.
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