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Brian Terry Australia (Verified User) Posts 735 Dogs 36 / Races 5 09 Jul 2017 02:43
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If its all too hard, just wait & see with the Log Book introduced on a couple of months.
Bureaucracy gone mad. Regulation gone mad.
Is it any wonder the heart is just not in it anymore as it used to be.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 09 Jul 2017 03:11
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Graham Haswell wrote:
Michael Long time participants are walking away from our industry shaking their head saying 'it's all too hard. We all know administration at RQ have screwed Greyhound prize money and revenue streams to fund their fark ups in the other codes including funding to MM and breeding schemes etc. It's still ongoing at Eagle Farm how many Million is that going to cost to fix.
QRIC has been a disaster for our code, and yes while we did need reform and a new model for integrity we are now over governed , look at the administration overseeing that! ! I Chief Stewards and high ranking staff being disciplined or sacked for their indiscretions.. Were they the ones responsible for the rediculous restrictions imposed on licencees and especially on our breeding industry. Were they in bed with the anti's ? ? ? It's time QRIC had a long hard look themselves because if the breeding numbers published lately are correct that is approx 1/3 of the number bred in the past.
And as far as a new one turn track to replace Gold Coast with the $10m don't hold your breath. The Govt is broke I have heard Racing Ministers promise us Deagon and yes remember Logan . The powers to be spent millions on plans and feasibility study's for both those and while our hopes have been high before I'm not getting excited about new plans from this mob just yet .
And as I said at the start they just seem to want to make it too hard.
It's sad to watch, isn't it Graham. What I've seen of the new look QGBOTA their attitude and focus seems to have improved. Too little, too late? Probably, although incorporated in a much more powerful organization, an asset. What the industry needs right NOW is a national SUPERPOWER of sorts. Not as silly as it may sound.
John Watts Australia (Verified User) Posts 976 Dogs 7 / Races 6 09 Jul 2017 03:20
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Michael while we are still racing dogs it is never too late, dont put the cue in the rack. I am bias as you know with regards QGBOTA and yes the national association should have greyhounds australasia firmly in their sights.
John Watts Australia (Verified User) Posts 976 Dogs 7 / Races 6 09 Jul 2017 03:36
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Michael Geraghty (quote)
It's sad to watch, isn't it Graham. What I've seen of the new look QGBOTA their attitude and focus seems to have improved. Too little, too late? Probably, although incorporated in a much more powerful organization, an asset. What the industry needs right NOW is a national SUPERPOWER of sorts. Not as silly as it may sound. (quote)
Michael that is closer than you think. The states all have their associations, we have the AFGOBTA and from ny perspective a very belligerent and media savvy crowd in the NGRU who are particularly active on facebook in attacking negative comments from the Vegan Army, a perfect world will see all these strengths merge. The only thing missing is participants fighting their obvious apathy and regain their sport. The bones are there. The will is not.
Graham Haswell Australia (Verified User) Posts 50 Dogs 1 / Races 5 09 Jul 2017 03:47
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Well John I wish you all the best in your fight but I think the Industry will need more than 40c a week from participants to recover what has been lost.
I was once a member of the GBOTA and other Industry Groups and I realise they are trying to fight the fight ; but until we get a Racing Minister who has clout in Goverment , who cares about our industry and who is willing to put the cleaners through some of our dead head administrators aligned to anti's at RQ and QRIC I'm afraid I can't see any light at the end of the tunnel. But Good Luck
John Watts Australia (Verified User) Posts 976 Dogs 7 / Races 6 09 Jul 2017 03:53
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Graham, people rolled the decision in NSW dont rely on politicians they will run with whoever they think hold the most votes irrespective of political persuasion.A strong association can lobby them. Anti greyhound advisors in political circles are in front at the moment, it can be changed.
Graham Haswell Australia (Verified User) Posts 50 Dogs 1 / Races 5 09 Jul 2017 05:03
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John The major push behind the overturn of the decision in NSW came from Alan Jones and Ray Hadley on their Nation wide radio shows and the support they gathered on air lobbying politicians in support of the sport in that state and the wrong doings of Premier Baird and his Govt. Don't kid yourself that it was the association that got them over the line in the end although they were working their bums off down there.
John Watts Australia (Verified User) Posts 976 Dogs 7 / Races 6 09 Jul 2017 05:15
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Graham Haswell wrote:
John The major push behind the overturn of the decision in NSW came from Alan Jones and Ray Hadley on their Nation wide radio shows and the support they gathered on air lobbying politicians in support of the sport in that state and the wrong doings of Premier Baird and his Govt. Don't kid yourself that it was the association that got them over the line in the end although they were working their bums off down there.
Never mentioned the association I said people and yes the industry is indebted to them. But at the end of the day presented with the facts people changed the political landscape in the bi election, they now have a pro shut down racing minister advocating the building of a track at queanbean should canberra fold. They are a fickle bunch.
Graham Haswell Australia (Verified User) Posts 50 Dogs 1 / Races 5 09 Jul 2017 06:31
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Oh John I will await the "Superpower" to emerge, but in the meantime will wander off into the wilderness with the other disenchanted long time industry participants and put that 40c a week you mentioned to better use.
Graham, people rolled the decision in NSW dont rely on politicians they will run with whoever they think hold the most votes irrespective of political persuasion.A strong association can lobby them. Anti greyhound advisors in political circles are in front at the moment, it can be changed.
John, not while the egotists who have rolled over for the Bentley,Dixon and Wilson Boards continue to represent Qld greyhound stakeholders,discrimination is not being challenged.9 years without a replacement track ,NO breeding Scheme and Market Share prizemoney ignored are three examples.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 09 Jul 2017 09:41
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John Watts wrote:
Michael Geraghty wrote:
Graham Haswell wrote:
Michael Long time participants are walking away from our industry shaking their head saying 'it's all too hard. We all know administration at RQ have screwed Greyhound prize money and revenue streams to fund their fark ups in the other codes including funding to MM and breeding schemes etc. It's still ongoing at Eagle Farm how many Million is that going to cost to fix.
QRIC has been a disaster for our code, and yes while we did need reform and a new model for integrity we are now over governed , look at the administration overseeing that! ! I Chief Stewards and high ranking staff being disciplined or sacked for their indiscretions.. Were they the ones responsible for the rediculous restrictions imposed on licencees and especially on our breeding industry. Were they in bed with the anti's ? ? ? It's time QRIC had a long hard look themselves because if the breeding numbers published lately are correct that is approx 1/3 of the number bred in the past.
And as far as a new one turn track to replace Gold Coast with the $10m don't hold your breath. The Govt is broke I have heard Racing Ministers promise us Deagon and yes remember Logan . The powers to be spent millions on plans and feasibility study's for both those and while our hopes have been high before I'm not getting excited about new plans from this mob just yet .
And as I said at the start they just seem to want to make it too hard.
It's sad to watch, isn't it Graham. What I've seen of the new look QGBOTA their attitude and focus seems to have improved. Too little, too late? Probably, although incorporated in a much more powerful organization, an asset. What the industry needs right NOW is a national SUPERPOWER of sorts. Not as silly as it may sound.
Michael while we are still racing dogs it is never too late, dont put the cue in the rack. I am bias as you know with regards QGBOTA and yes the national association should have greyhounds australasia firmly in their sights.
John, Sorry, my fault. I wasn't clear enough.
My "Too little, too late?" was not in reference to the industry, but to associations such as QGBOTA and the like. How do you win back respect in a short time(it needs to be) when it has been eroded over several decades? The QGBOTA have a support base of what? 10% of participants? If that? It's the longest serving association in QLD by farit should have always had 95% of participants supporting them and they should have been members because the QGBOTA fought tooth and nail for them. Please don't get me wrong and there is no personal attack here at all. The people previously involved I'm sure worked for the good of the industry MOST of the time. In my opinion there are two main ingredients that always seem to bring associations and the like undone and they are AGENDAS and EGOS. I sense you current guys have at least some grit, so well done and credit where it's due but too much water has passed and I believe you don't have the majority's support. Hopefully you will succeed in clawing some of it back. Only my opinion, but I think the QGBOTA needs to align itself, and the whole national industry, with a highly professional group of people who have no fear.
BTW, I don't play pool so I don't even own a cuenot happening soon. The fat lady hasn't even gone on stage yet, let alone started to sing although from where I'm standing I can see her fat a$$ behind the curtain on stage left.
It's not a good look.
P.S. The SFF party won that Orange election by a mere 57 votes or there abouts. The influence Ray Hadley and Alan Jones had on the outcome of that election far far far exceeds 57 votes. They were the MAIN reason the seat was lost and they were the MAIN reason the ban was overturned...I have no doubt.
As you alluded to, VOTES are what will turn the head of a politician. The above two guys have the power to turn VOTES. It's people like them that need to be part of a superpower industry movement.
Paul Haig Australia (Verified User) Posts 57 Dogs 0 / Races 0 09 Jul 2017 09:47
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I agree hole hearted with u Graham I am a 3rd generation owner and trainer the first dog I owned was a bitch called joyful queen in 1977,been a owner and class 1 trainer ever since,always had a couple of dogs and managed to win a race occasionally.I built a brand new air-conditioned kennels in dec 2014 have not had a dog in them I to feel as u do so u are not alone imo maybe the industry needs to shut down in Qld for a period of time, its just a thought l wonder what the gov would do with no revenue from the dogs
Graham Haswell Australia (Verified User) Posts 50 Dogs 1 / Races 5 09 Jul 2017 10:46
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We feel your frustration too Paul ! As do many others. I too am a 3rd generation dog man, but don't know about shutting down the industry when all we need is a fair go to get it back on the rails again.
If we had the support that the other 2 codes get from RQ with regards to funding and representation on the RQ board with a voice , it would go a long way to turning things around again..
Remember the days and nights when it was real fun and excitement to go to the dogs It used to be for me anyway !!!
Graham,IF the apathetic majority of Qld stakeholders would join the QGBOTA,now that the traitors who rolled over for Bentley and Dixon while waisting $40,000 and almost bankrupting the association are gone,we could have that super power and negate the useless QGA.
Graham Haswell Australia (Verified User) Posts 50 Dogs 1 / Races 5 09 Jul 2017 11:28
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Kevvie Only when our representative body puts the effort into winning back the respect of the general public for our industry will it be on the way to being that super power you talk about:
Kevvie Only when our representative body puts the effort into winning back the respect of the general public for our industry will it be on the way to being that super power you talk about:
Graham,I beleive the current committee has the ability to lead from the front,the 2010 egotists with their own agendas are but just a bad nightmare.IMO
Graham Haswell Australia (Verified User) Posts 50 Dogs 1 / Races 5 10 Jul 2017 01:49
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Kevvie While I don't agree with all of your ideas, no one has battled as hard as you for the betterment of our Industry.
Keep up the fight !!!
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 11 Jul 2017 04:16
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Why am I now receiving "Debtors Statements from QRIC" that total $0.00 ?
For heaven sake....The place is going MAD.
Graham Haswell Australia (Verified User) Posts 50 Dogs 1 / Races 5 11 Jul 2017 05:56
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Stephen It's what I said a couple of days ago on here. QRIC is a disaster and needs to have long hard look at itself..
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 11 Jul 2017 07:06
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Talk about harassment Graham.
It came from a Michelle Warren and its titled - ** DO NOT REPLY** QRIC Debtors Statement.
I'm thinking to myself FTW.....I then opened it & it read $0.00 owed.
Why the hell would you send something like this if you had nothing to answer for?
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