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Gary Hutchinson Australia (Verified User) Posts 190 Dogs 3 / Races 0 08 Jun 2009 12:19
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Pat Desparate people turn to desparate measures when they have been caught out.When the cheats have slipped up and return a positive,they will look to blame anyone or anything to get the off the hook.The FOL may well be cited in a future investigation,but to abort its' introduction for that reason alone is pure folly!!
Peter Cohen Australia (Verified User) Posts 5343 Dogs 6 / Races 0 08 Jun 2009 20:20
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Pure Folly lets hope you dont get a positive Gary from the FOL if you do it will be interestting how you plead your case :)
Gary Hutchinson Australia (Verified User) Posts 190 Dogs 3 / Races 0 08 Jun 2009 21:46
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Peter, Please read Thomas Mika reply...page 2 ..A defence for a positive swab
Peter Cohen Australia (Verified User) Posts 5343 Dogs 6 / Races 0 08 Jun 2009 22:51
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Gary Hutchinson wrote:
Peter, Please read Thomas Mika reply...page 2 ..A defence for a positive swab
Gary it does not matter how much of whatever is in the dogs system mate if it is illegal you will be charged
Peter Cohen Australia (Verified User) Posts 5343 Dogs 6 / Races 0 09 Jun 2009 02:57
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This was taken from another site thedogs.com
Gilbert & Lord Back In Town Written by: Gerard Guthrie 04/06/09 Former Wentworth Park premiership winning trainers Jodie Gilbert and Andy Lord are making an immediate impact after returning to Australia from a brief but successful stint in New Zealand.
Partners Gilbert and Lord, who won three successive Wentworth Park training titles between 2002 and 2004, moved to New Zealand in 2008,
We did really well in New Zealand, winning well over a hundred races over there, Andy Lord said.
The main reason we came back was that too many of our dogs were sustaining injuries because of the finish-on lure. A lot of our dogs injured wrists and hocks and some of them are still carrying the injuries
SAY NO MORE cheers
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 09 Jun 2009 03:47
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Pete
Do you believe in the Tooth Fairy??
Peter Cohen Australia (Verified User) Posts 5343 Dogs 6 / Races 0 09 Jun 2009 06:11
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Lol no mate i just prey to God the FOL does not come to NSW i pity them queenslander dogs and trainers up there just imagine when they race in thew middle of summer on that great FOL those over the top dogs will suffer bad
O and by the way Sandro this is AUSTRALIA not Nz cheers
Anthony McVicker Australia (Verified User) Posts 954 Dogs 13 / Races 117 09 Jun 2009 07:57
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Peter
Can you pls send me an email [email protected] I would like to ask for your assistance with something
Rgds Anthony
Peter Cohen Australia (Verified User) Posts 5343 Dogs 6 / Races 0 09 Jun 2009 08:41
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Done Anthony
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 09 Jun 2009 09:41
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peter cohen wrote:
Lol no mate i just prey to God the FOL does not come to NSW i pity them queenslander dogs and trainers up there just imagine when they race in thew middle of summer on that great FOL those over the top dogs will suffer bad
O and by the way Sandro this is AUSTRALIA not Nz cheers
Unfortunately......they seem to have the FOL down pat over there
We have been racing greyhounds for umpteen years but we still believe that putting up with Catching Pen accidents and not giving dogs an incentive to chase hard in a RACE, not a TRIAL TRACK, is ok.....
My vote is that NZ is more progressive and we are regressive
Lincoln Jones Australia (Verified User) Posts 1821 Dogs 2 / Races 0 09 Jun 2009 09:46
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racing greyhounds has worked well since day 1,why the hell would you change it
Tom Flanagan Australia (Verified User) Posts 7250 Dogs 974 / Races 1022 09 Jun 2009 10:41
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Lincoln jones wrote:
racing greyhounds has worked well since day 1,why the hell would you change it
Peter Cohen Australia (Verified User) Posts 5343 Dogs 6 / Races 0 10 Jun 2009 01:12
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Fair go Tom talking about clutching straws next you will not want to race at all
Peter Cohen Australia (Verified User) Posts 5343 Dogs 6 / Races 0 10 Jun 2009 01:15
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
peter cohen wrote:
Lol no mate i just prey to God the FOL does not come to NSW i pity them queenslander dogs and trainers up there just imagine when they race in thew middle of summer on that great FOL those over the top dogs will suffer bad
O and by the way Sandro this is AUSTRALIA not Nz cheers
Unfortunately......they seem to have the FOL down pat over there
We have been racing greyhounds for umpteen years but we still believe that putting up with Catching Pen accidents and not giving dogs an incentive to chase hard in a RACE, not a TRIAL TRACK, is ok.....
My vote is that NZ is more progressive and we are regressive
Sandro iam not having a go at you mate but have you ever had to train a over the top greyhound?(MAD)i guess not the FOL would not do him or her any favours in my opinion
Rob Tyler Australia (Verified User) Posts 5176 Dogs 64 / Races 113 10 Jun 2009 01:17
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peter cohen wrote:
Lol no mate i just prey to God the FOL does not come to NSW i pity them queenslander dogs and trainers up there just imagine when they race in thew middle of summer on that great FOL those over the top dogs will suffer bad
O and by the way Sandro this is AUSTRALIA not Nz cheers
Peter...I never thought of that. It is a good point...finishing on in NZ weather is a lot different to doing it in a Queensland climate. As I have said before, there are definately pros and cons...I am still on the fence.
Peter Cohen Australia (Verified User) Posts 5343 Dogs 6 / Races 0 10 Jun 2009 01:27
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Rob Tyler wrote:
peter cohen wrote:
Lol no mate i just prey to God the FOL does not come to NSW i pity them queenslander dogs and trainers up there just imagine when they race in thew middle of summer on that great FOL those over the top dogs will suffer bad
O and by the way Sandro this is AUSTRALIA not Nz cheers
Peter...I never thought of that. It is a good point...finishing on in NZ weather is a lot different to doing it in a Queensland climate. As I have said before, there are definately pros and cons...I am still on the fence.
Rob allow me to give you a push lol
Richard Vrckoff Australia (Verified User) Posts 2473 Dogs 1 / Races 0 10 Jun 2009 01:29
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Get off the fence Rob.... pick a side.....
Like all things the FOL has its good & bad points as with catching pens they have there good & bad points.
I'm not sitting on the fence....lol
I have raced with the FOL & i dont have a problem with it.
Richie
Rob Tyler Australia (Verified User) Posts 5176 Dogs 64 / Races 113 10 Jun 2009 01:40
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I have got splinters Rich! I haven't got a problem with it but I still think that PC has a good point...picture this....36 degree day in lovely Lismore with humidity that rivals a sauna...that would be a concern, don't you think?
Richard Vrckoff Australia (Verified User) Posts 2473 Dogs 1 / Races 0 10 Jun 2009 03:05
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To tell you the truth Rob i dont really think it is a problem as the dogs finsh on just past the back of the catching pen & hang around the arm, trying to grab it. They dont actually grab the arm & pull & reef at it & get dragged 50 metres. Whats the difference between that & dogs going into the pen & then jogging up & down the pen a couple of times having a play.
Richie
Conrad Buhner Australia (Verified User) Posts 378 Dogs 13 / Races 3 10 Jun 2009 03:13
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Lincoln jones wrote:
racing greyhounds has worked well since day 1,why the hell would you change it
I Agree,
Coursing originally meant to chase and catch fast-running prey, like hares and rabbits using dogs. Dogs such as Salukis, Borzois, whippets and greyhounds they were bred specifically for this sort of hunting. Racing Greyhounds started back in the 1500's .Two dogs were matched together against the game, and the owners would place bets on who would win. Coursing matches often attracted crowds, and side bets were common. The first official coursing club was the Swaffham Coursing Society in Norfolk, England, which put on its first event in 1776. The rules stated that only two dogs at a time could be pitted against each other, and that the hare must be given a head start of 240 yards. The first event similar to modern greyhound racing occurred in 1876. In Hendon, England, six dogs chased an artificial hare on wheels. Called "coursing by proxy," this type of racing did not catch on at the time. In 1905, Owen Patrick Smith, the chamber of commerce director in Hot Springs, South Dakota, was charged with organizing such a meet to attract tourists. Smith's event went well, and the town considered it a success. But Smith didn't like the sport-he felt it was inhumane. He began to look for a way to make the sport less bloody using an artificial lure similar to that used in the "coursing by proxy" experiment decades ago. After much trial and error, Smith attracted investors and perfected an artificial lure system. His tracks allowed for six greyhounds to race at a time, and were circular instead of straight. Eventually, he took his idea all over the country, where his greyhound racing tracks attracted thousands of visitors.
Back at day one, the greyhounds use to catch the rabbits.
The finish on lure system is not perfect but neither is the catching pen style but i believe that the finish on lure style is closer to the original nature of the sport. Having a REWARD at the end of the chase is important for the dogs confidence.
How long would you train a dog for without a financial reward??
How important is it to have a reward?
A perfect lure system is not available at the moment, so there will always be people for and against the ones available today.
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