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Kevin Hay
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Conrad Buhner wrote:

Lincoln jones wrote:

racing greyhounds has worked well since day 1,why the hell would you change it

A perfect lure system is not available at the moment, so there will always be people for and against the ones available today.

We had the perfect lure it was the live hare but the tree hugger's and do gooders put a stop to that. I for one is sitting on the fence on the fol the only concern is what happens to the dogs that are keen chasers but dont like being around other dog's ,being a catching pen operator in the past I have seen this type of dog win races be 1st into the pen then when the rest come in it runs to the far side corner of the pen, I can see these type of dogs doing a extra lap.At Pirie we have a run off pen with a dummy lure that has a bungee rope on it when the dog's approach the pen the operator lets it go and they run into the shute and go mad on the dummy lure, I have seen dogs that keen that they will attack any dog that goes near the lure and I have seen dogs shy away from it, I cant see the aggressive dog's changing just because the lure is hanging from looped arm. That just my opinion. Oh and for the record since we put the run off pen into use some 3 years ago injury in the pen, zero.


Carole Brown
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10 Jun 2009 06:27


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Kevin, sorry, but I need to ask you something and have lost your email address. Can you either give it here or email me please ? Thanks, Carole.


Kevin Hay
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10 Jun 2009 06:40


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Hi Carole
Email address is kevhay@bigpond.net.au


Tom Flanagan
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10 Jun 2009 10:50


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peter cohen wrote:

Fair go Tom talking about clutching straws next you will not want to race at all

Peter you asked for opinions - you didn't specify only opinions that are the same as yours.

Maybe you should have called it a petition - then you will only get people who are opposed to the FOL.

Oxley Gazelle is exactly the point - whatever we can do to reduce serious injury in the catching pen - I'm for it. And also to stop dogs getting attacked by other dogs in the pen.

I have an over the top dog - water diabetes 3 times now - problem keeps happening at Lismore. Hasn't happened at Albion Park despite racing there through January over 600m on the finish on lure. CLICK HERE
Cheers,
Tom



Peter Cohen
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10 Jun 2009 11:54


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Tom Flanagan wrote:

peter cohen wrote:

Fair go Tom talking about clutching straws next you will not want to race at all

Peter you asked for opinions - you didn't specify only opinions that are the same as yours.

M

I have an over the top dog - water diabetes 3 times now - problem keeps happening at Lismore. Hasn't happened at Albion Park despite racing there through January over 600m on the finish on lure. CLICK HERE
Cheers,
Tom


Water diabetes 3 time hmmmmmmm somthing really wrong there i wonder

Peter you asked for opinions - you didn't specify only opinions that are the same as yours

Its ok Tom no need to get shitty with me back of big fellow lol



Sandro Bechini
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10 Jun 2009 12:45


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peter cohen wrote:

Sandro Bechini wrote:

peter cohen wrote:

Lol no mate i just prey to God the FOL does not come to NSW
i pity them queenslander dogs and trainers up there just imagine when they race in thew middle of summer on that great FOL those over the top dogs will suffer bad

O and by the way Sandro this is AUSTRALIA not Nz cheers

Unfortunately......they seem to have the FOL down pat over there

We have been racing greyhounds for umpteen years but we still believe that putting up with Catching Pen accidents and not giving dogs an incentive to chase hard in a RACE, not a TRIAL TRACK, is ok.....

My vote is that NZ is more progressive and we are regressive

Sandro iam not having a go at you mate but have you ever had to train a over the top greyhound?(MAD)i guess not the FOL would not do him or her any favours in my opinion

Pete

I am not having a go either but yes in my younger days I have trained a couple of over the top dogs.

I found, the trick with them was not to let them see the bunny that often on the trial track. I found the more they got a finish on at the trials it made them worse for race night.

I reverted to handslipping and left the bunny to race day and no stir up and got much better results..

As far as the weather is concerned......if the FOL is the problems then we should consider not racing our dogs at all on days over over 30 degrees for fear of heat exhaustion. They still get excited & overheated with or without the FOL.

While I appreciate people's converns about it and we are having a debate to thrash out the pro's and cons, but some illogical comments are starting to emerge

How far do you guys want to take this argument?


Tom Flanagan
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10 Jun 2009 12:53


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peter cohen wrote:

Water diabetes 3 time hmmmmmmm somthing really wrong there i wonder

Doing the best I can - trying to be very careful with him - vet has just said the super keen types are more prone to it - this dog gives 110% every time he gets behind a lure.

It is an issue that I've given a lot of thought to in relation to the finish on lure - but as long as the dog is fit enough to run the distance right out (to the pull up point) there doesn't seem to be a problem with it.
Cheers,
Tom
PS - Open to advice - I've still got a lot to learn as a trainer.
I've learnt to be very careful with the dog when coming back to Lismore after a few runs elsewhere, or after a break, as that's when he's really prone to overdoing it.



Peter Cohen
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10 Jun 2009 22:29


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Sandro Bechini wrote:

peter cohen wrote:

Sandro Bechini wrote:

peter cohen wrote:

Lol no mate i just prey to God the FOL does not come to NSW
i pity them queenslander dogs and trainers up there just imagine when they race in thew middle of summer on that great FOL those over the top dogs will suffer bad

O and by the way Sandro this is AUSTRALIA not Nz cheers

Unfortunately......they seem to have the FOL down pat over there

We have been racing greyhounds for umpteen years but we still believe that putting up with Catching Pen accidents and not giving dogs an incentive to chase hard in a RACE, not a TRIAL TRACK, is ok.....

My vote is that NZ is more progressive and we are regressive

Sandro iam not having a go at you mate but have you ever had to train a over the top greyhound?(MAD)i guess not the FOL would not do him or her any favours in my opinion

Pete

I am not having a go either but yes in my younger days I have trained a couple of over the top dogs.

I found, the trick with them was not to let them see the bunny that often on the trial track. I found the more they got a finish on at the trials it made them worse for race night.

I reverted to handslipping and left the bunny to race day and no stir up and got much better results..

As far as the weather is concerned......if the FOL is the problems then we should consider not racing our dogs at all on days over over 30 degrees for fear of heat exhaustion. They still get excited & overheated with or without the FOL.

While I appreciate people's converns about it and we are having a debate to thrash out the pro's and cons, but some illogical comments are starting to emerge

How far do you guys want to take this argument?





Sue Burley
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10 Jun 2009 23:26


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I've found with the hypo type dogs who can suffer either acidosis or water diabetes it is the time before the race that does the damage. Like Peter I found that they were more affected at trial tracks but also found that if you could manage to trial them as soon as you got to the track and not let them see or hear even one trial they fared well.

One I had would get acidosis after every trial track run but rarely after a race, I was lucky in that my local trial track operator realised this and whenever I arrived to trial him I was the next trial no matter how many were waiting, that solved the problem.

I had one that often suffered water diabetes like you Tom and I think he underwent every test possible to find a cause but it was just him, he wasn't a loud dog, more bottled it up inside before a run but he was so keen when he ran, he just wanted to win and he did win a few decent races but I think it was before the race the damage was underway.

Definitely no previews for these dogs.



Peter Cohen
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Tom Flanagan wrote:

peter cohen wrote:

Water diabetes 3 time hmmmmmmm somthing really wrong there i wonder

Doing the best I can - trying to be very careful with him - vet has just said the super keen types are more prone to it - this dog gives 110% every time he gets behind a lure.

It is an issue that I've given a lot of thought to in relation to the finish on lure - but as long as the dog is fit enough to run the distance right out (to the pull up point) there doesn't seem to be a problem with it.
Cheers,
Tom
PS - Open to advice - I've still got a lot to learn as a trainer.
I've learnt to be very careful with the dog when coming back to Lismore after a few runs elsewhere, or after a break, as that's when he's really prone to overdoing it.

Tom try and contact this fellow for some advice on a herbal treatment maybe EXTERNAL LINK


Tom Flanagan
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11 Jun 2009 04:30


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peter cohen wrote:

Tom try and contact this fellow for some advice on a herbal treatment maybe EXTERNAL LINK

Thanks Peter


Sue Burley
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I tried Robert McDowell's treatments with mine, maybe work on a dog with other kidney probs but did nothing for mine with Water Diabetes. Was also told it was because they were using preservatives in the meat, my supplier swore there were no preservatives in their meat but I had it tested anyway and he was correct. Then I changed to butcher's beef and Science Diet, no change. I never found an answer apart from trying to keep the dog as calm as possible before the race.


Tom Flanagan
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11 Jun 2009 05:58


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Sue Burley wrote:

I tried Robert McDowell's treatments with mine, maybe work on a dog with other kidney probs but did nothing for mine with Water Diabetes. Was also told it was because they were using preservatives in the meat, my supplier swore there were no preservatives in their meat but I had it tested anyway and he was correct. Then I changed to butcher's beef and Science Diet, no change. I never found an answer apart from trying to keep the dog as calm as possible before the race.

Thanks Sue, will give McDowell's treatments a try anyway. Currently on Science diet and preservative free beef.
Definitely keep him as calm as possible, no stir ups, tho he's a quiet sort of stresser.
Cheers,
Tom


Mal Dawson
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Sue Burley wrote:

I tried Robert McDowell's treatments with mine, maybe work on a dog with other kidney probs but did nothing for mine with Water Diabetes. Was also told it was because they were using preservatives in the meat, my supplier swore there were no preservatives in their meat but I had it tested anyway and he was correct. Then I changed to butcher's beef and Science Diet, no change. I never found an answer apart from trying to keep the dog as calm as possible before the race.

half a bottle of JACK DANIELS seems to calm me down SUE, only problem is i miss the start a bit



Carole Brown
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With all that hair, Mal, you would be lucky to see where you were going !! When are you going to get a haircut ?? Sorry, couldn't resist.
Tom, if you would like to email me, I may have a suggestion for your dog.


Lindsay Joyce
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peter cohen wrote:

This was taken from another site thedogs.com

Gilbert & Lord Back In Town
Written by: Gerard Guthrie 04/06/09
Former Wentworth Park premiership winning trainers Jodie Gilbert and Andy Lord are making an immediate impact after returning to Australia from a brief but successful stint in New Zealand.

Partners Gilbert and Lord, who won three successive Wentworth Park training titles between 2002 and 2004, moved to New Zealand in 2008,

“We did really well in New Zealand, winning well over a hundred races over there,” Andy Lord said.

“The main reason we came back was that too many of our dogs were sustaining injuries because of the finish-on lure. A lot of our dogs injured wrists and hocks and some of them are still carrying the injuries

SAY NO MORE cheers


I dont think that statement was entirely true at all Peter. Andy just hated the long drives to tracks and the slow pace of maton where they lived. Wanganui Track yes I would agree.


Sean Galloway
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GRNSW Request for Research Proposals

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4. Project Objectives

c)Hypotheses related to the safety impact of:

I find it Bizarre...No mention of either Catching pen or Lure.




Steve Harvey
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29 Nov 2015 12:28


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Sean Galloway wrote:

GRNSW Request for Research Proposals

EXTERNAL LINK
4. Project Objectives

c)Hypotheses related to the safety impact of:

I find it Bizarre...No mention of either Catching pen or Lure.


These days , running a K9 onto a arm trial @ ANY TAB OR CITY racetrack is something I personally wouldn't do based on a theory or 2. Nothing bizarre about that in my opinion. What more can really be said about arm trials now ? Ha Ha Ha... JOKE !



Mick Whyte
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29 Nov 2015 21:40


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Sean Galloway wrote:

GRNSW Request for Research Proposals

EXTERNAL LINK
4. Project Objectives

c)Hypotheses related to the safety impact of:

I find it Bizarre...No mention of either Catching pen or Lure.

Conspiracy Theory, Wentworth Park track is audited and judged unsafe for greyhound racing and rather than fix Wentworth Park it is decided that Richmond is a far safer track for racing and much cheaper option. So they leave Wentworth Park with some extra cash and make Richmond the new home of GRNSW.
No harm in dreaming.



Jack Gatty
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The data exists for all the points of reference GRNSW is going to over pay some group to study - these studies on forces, track design, banking, etc etc have been done over and over around the world. It's not the data that's required - it already exists. But even though it exists nothing has ever changed and that would be due to a resistance to change and weak leadership.

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