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Sean O'Donnell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4262 Dogs 64 / Races 54 29 May 2011 23:47
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what sort of time is 19.70 breakin time?
Mark Schlegel Australia (Verified User) Posts 3168 Dogs 9 / Races 5 29 May 2011 23:57
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Sean,
Maybe it's just me, but the times of late seem to be a little slow.
I've had a few break in their recently that ran 19.68-19.80 and I am confident that they will all be competitive in Vic from what I have seen since.
For example, one ran at Lara yesterday and ran 0.3 off Best of Day. It's probably only his 4th run since he broke in at Mannings in 19.68.
David Busuttil Australia
Posts 433 Dogs 0 / Races 0 30 May 2011 00:22
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One of my bitchs had a hit out at bendigo last satuday over the 430 her first look there trainer told me she lost about 6 l at the turn just inexperience and the track was slow she ran 25 dead how does that stack up ?
Mark Schlegel Australia (Verified User) Posts 3168 Dogs 9 / Races 5 30 May 2011 00:27
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david busuttil wrote:
One of my bitchs had a hit out at bendigo last satuday over the 430 her first look there trainer told me she lost about 6 l at the turn just inexperience and the track was slow she ran 25 dead how does that stack up ?
First look, slow track, 25.00 is ok. If he's correct and she makes up 6l at her next run then she's looking pretty good.
David Busuttil Australia
Posts 433 Dogs 0 / Races 0 30 May 2011 00:34
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His going back there on Thursday so I'll get a decent bearing after a meeting his put her over the 300 twice at ballarat so she's been jumping on the bend hence it makes sense why she was searching for the bend at bendigo they were winning maidens there in the 80s
Mark Schlegel Australia (Verified User) Posts 3168 Dogs 9 / Races 5 30 May 2011 01:19
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david busuttil wrote:
His going back there on Thursday so I'll get a decent bearing after a meeting his put her over the 300 twice at ballarat so she's been jumping on the bend hence it makes sense why she was searching for the bend at bendigo they were winning maidens there in the 80s
After 2-3 runs there you would like her to be running 24.60 or better. She should be a decent race dog in that case. 24.60-25.00 and she'll be struggling to win outside of Tier 3's.
I wouldn't be paying too much attention of times though until she is doing it in half fields.
She can be running 24.30 and still never win a race if she won't go in a field!
David Busuttil Australia
Posts 433 Dogs 0 / Races 0 30 May 2011 01:31
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When he was there on Saturday he said not too many he seen broke 25 and the first maiden today didn't break 25 I'm confident she will find heaps on that run his put her twice as I said over the 300 ballarat first look 18 dead 2nd look 18.20 in the mud
David Busuttil Australia
Posts 433 Dogs 0 / Races 0 02 Jun 2011 20:55
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After that run at bendigo last Sunday mark they have found out that she cracked / broken her fibula one would presume she did it before the bend at that could be the reason for running wide at the turn ?? So running 25 dead seems like a huge effort
Phil Hall Australia (Verified User) Posts 1320 Dogs 21 / Races 21 10 Oct 2014 20:03
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could anyone possibly give me a guide on what is good break in time? as have pups there now going through old threads seems time vary throughout the year
cheers phil
Joshua Maywald Australia (Verified User) Posts 116 Dogs 5 / Races 10 11 Oct 2014 04:17
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If by the last trial a pup is breaking 20 secs your friends will have something to work with. Personally I wouldn't read too much into the times, as it depends on too many variables in my opinion. Out of five dogs so far we've had 2 make the racetrack and the other 3 look like they'll make it. The range of their final trials have been from 19.50 to 20.00 I'm pretty sure.
It really depends how forward they are before they are broken in. Improvement in each trial is more what to look for. Last but not least just remember they are hand timed!
Andrew Varasdi Australia (Verified User) Posts 1287 Dogs 2 / Races 11 11 Oct 2014 06:11
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In my experience 19.30 to 19.40 is about it. The majority of city class dogs will run that or quicker provided track is good. I can give you real examples and have plenty. Never had one break in their slower than 19.50 make a genuine city class dog. So I sell anything at 19.40 or over unless I feel they are an exception. If anyone wants examples call me. Thanks andrew
Phil Hall Australia (Verified User) Posts 1320 Dogs 21 / Races 21 11 Oct 2014 06:40
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andrew varasdi wrote:
In my experience 19.30 to 19.40 is about it. The majority of city class dogs will run that or quicker provided track is good. I can give you real examples and have plenty. Never had one break in their slower than 19.50 make a genuine city class dog. So I sell anything at 19.40 or over unless I feel they are an exception. If anyone wants examples call me. Thanks andrew
thanks mate gives me good guide
Andrew Varasdi Australia (Verified User) Posts 1287 Dogs 2 / Races 11 11 Oct 2014 07:05
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phil hall wrote:
andrew varasdi wrote:
In my experience 19.30 to 19.40 is about it. The majority of city class dogs will run that or quicker provided track is good. I can give you real examples and have plenty. Never had one break in their slower than 19.50 make a genuine city class dog. So I sell anything at 19.40 or over unless I feel they are an exception. If anyone wants examples call me. Thanks andrew
thanks mate gives me good guide
Feel free to call me Phil. 0408349578 if you want examples do dogs and what they ran. I think I have broken in at least 15 maybe 20 there in the last two years including 7 recently.
Jamie Quinlivian Australia (Verified User) Posts 8727 Dogs 10 / Races 0 11 Oct 2014 07:14
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Andrew, have you had any that break in 19.3-19.4 that dont go on?
Phil Hall Australia (Verified User) Posts 1320 Dogs 21 / Races 21 11 Oct 2014 07:25
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andrew varasdi wrote:
phil hall wrote:
andrew varasdi wrote:
In my experience 19.30 to 19.40 is about it. The majority of city class dogs will run that or quicker provided track is good. I can give you real examples and have plenty. Never had one break in their slower than 19.50 make a genuine city class dog. So I sell anything at 19.40 or over unless I feel they are an exception. If anyone wants examples call me. Thanks andrew
thanks mate gives me good guide
Feel free to call me Phil. 0408349578 if you want examples do dogs and what they ran. I think I have broken in at least 15 maybe 20 there in the last two years including 7 recently.
thanks Andrew appreciate that cheers phil
Andrew Varasdi Australia (Verified User) Posts 1287 Dogs 2 / Races 11 11 Oct 2014 09:17
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Jamie Quinlivian wrote:
Andrew, have you had any that break in 19.3-19.4 that dont go on?
G'day Jamie. So far they have all pretty much won a metro race. But I can say I have never moved one on that had gone slower than 19.50 that had ended up winning a metro race. Of course you see certain things in dogs. Ie the dog that broke in in 19.30 but whose first three runs were 21.20, 20.80, 19.90 and 19.30 was far better than the one that started at 19.90 and got to 19.30.
Of the 7 I recently broke in There I had a 19.8, 19.70, 19.60, 19.40, 19.2 and two that broke 19.10.
I am not sure that my experience is going to change based on what has happened since although I don't know exactly how each is going of the ones I moved on.
Jamie Quinlivian Australia (Verified User) Posts 8727 Dogs 10 / Races 0 11 Oct 2014 10:10
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Very interesting Andrew, thanks for your insight. My 2 broke in 19.30. One came from 21.1 and the other from 19.9 so it will be interesting to see how they go if they get to the track. Hardest thing about having good times is trying to keep a lid on expectations, its doing my head in.
John Charles Caulfield Australia (Verified User) Posts 396 Dogs 2 / Races 0 12 Oct 2014 10:01
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put 4 pups around last Thursday 18.93 19.16 19.30 19.50 there 3rd run very happy.
John Charles Caulfield Australia (Verified User) Posts 396 Dogs 2 / Races 0 16 Oct 2014 09:08
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this week 18.77 19.11 19.15 19.17 19.34
Jamie Quinlivian Australia (Verified User) Posts 8727 Dogs 10 / Races 0 16 Oct 2014 09:41
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That's a pretty serious run John, hope it all works out well for you.
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