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I always feed 50/50 meat/chicken as do the trainers i know.
Paul Blyth Australia (Verified User) Posts 332 Dogs 10 / Races 0 12 Jun 2012 02:55
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Big difference in a trainers diet compared to a rearers diet though. If the chicken is whole, not just an empty carcass minced then it's a different story.
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 12 Jun 2012 03:43
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Darren McKenzie wrote:
Carole Brown wrote:
It was good enough for all Rod Deakin's race dogs, and pups.
Here's a couple of paragraphs from a ROD DEAKIN article done by the QLD Journal many years ago...........in relation to feeding 'CHICKEN'.......
"And the second surprise with Deakin's young matrons and their offspring is that their main food was chicken.
Deakin swung over to chicken some years back after studying a report by the National Academy of Science of the research council of the USA comparing it with horse, beef and liver."
Not feeding 'chicken' as a food for dogs is a big mistake...........it has essential elements in it that other meats don't have...........that dogs do require.
If you'd like a copy of the 'DEAKIN' article.........list your email address and I'll send it on.
This article has a table to indicate the comparisons between diffferent meats in it...........it's a 2 part article done on this truely great greyhound participant.
Scott Jackson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1948 Dogs 4 / Races 0 12 Jun 2012 04:29
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It's mainly cooked,as in baked,chicken news that are a splintering issue. Raw or boiled are fine. Chicken necks are brilliant for greyhounds. I feed them with a mixture of quality beef. This came from a fellow member whose had a little success lol!!!
Steve Bennie Australia (Verified User) Posts 32 Dogs 5 / Races 46 12 Jun 2012 04:53
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Darren
I would like to read up on the DEAKIN article my email address is [email protected] many thanks steve bennie
Darren McKenzie Australia (Verified User) Posts 1823 Dogs 96 / Races 105 12 Jun 2012 05:08
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STEVE BENNIE wrote:
Darren
I would like to read up on the DEAKIN article my email address is [email protected] many thanks steve bennie
Steve,
You'll have to empty out your in-box mate............keep getting back a 'quota full' message from your end........
Let me know when you have...............
Sean O'Donnell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4262 Dogs 64 / Races 54 12 Jun 2012 05:11
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keith lloyd wrote:
Nearly every top trainer around here feeds half horse, half minced chicken frames, and that includes Bate and Daillys. They must get better than what they eat???
Sorry chicken frames (mash) crap and no need for it!
Chicken necks fair enough as a treat, chicken meat yes no worries!
But ground up carcass rubbish!
Mark Glennerster United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 3208 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Jun 2012 07:18
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A few years ago i did the rounds of butchers shops in the Geelong area with Graeme Bate, we were collecting chicken carcasses which he mixed with beef at a ratio of 50:50 and his dogs were running great at the time, he still feeds a similar ratio now using frames and necks and his results race wise are okay.
Keith Lloyd Australia (Verified User) Posts 1326 Dogs 54 / Races 3 12 Jun 2012 08:33
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Sean O'Donnell wrote:
Sorry chicken frames (mash) crap and no need for it! Chicken necks fair enough as a treat, chicken meat yes no worries! But ground up carcass rubbish!
OK Sean. I will possibly see Graeme tomorrow and will definitely see Tom Dailly on thursday so I will tell them that they are doing it wrong. This will probably answer the questions that they have been asking them selves. Why Daillys have only won 110 city races and GB is struggling with only 118 city races so far this year.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 12 Jun 2012 08:36
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Chicken frames minced.....Have you ever wondered why this product is so cheap? Can anyone tell me? Especially when a kilo of human consumption beef or chicken from the butchers relatively costs the same. If you trust your local butcher, I believe where's nothing wrong with adding a percentage of minced chicken frames to a pups diet. Even to a race dogs diet after a hard race or campaign. Finding a butcher (or Pet Shop Retailer) you can trust is the key and can be a trial and error and timely exercise at times. If "body builders" use chicken in their diets that helps contribute to building muscle, then minced chicken frames that provide plenty of calcium for growing bones can't be that bad. Not everything CHEAP is bad. I think some of you have had a bad experience with chicken or in Sean case, well your blaming what you thought was chicken...when it was absolute rubbish and as you say CRAP. If you've paid 60 cents for chicken frames minces, well your not getting 100% chicken frames minced. Tell your butcher you'll paid $1.00 for just chicken frames minced and check the difference and quality.
Paul Blyth Australia (Verified User) Posts 332 Dogs 10 / Races 0 12 Jun 2012 09:36
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keith lloyd wrote:
Sean O'Donnell wrote:
Sorry chicken frames (mash) crap and no need for it! Chicken necks fair enough as a treat, chicken meat yes no worries! But ground up carcass rubbish!
OK Sean. I will possibly see Graeme tomorrow and will definitely see Tom Dailly on thursday so I will tell them that they are doing it wrong. This will probably answer the questions that they have been asking them selves. Why Daillys have only won 110 city races and GB is struggling with only 118 city races so far this year.
I think you'll find Paul wheelers feeding and rearing regime has a lot to do with Grahame bates and dailly's success. I've seen video of Grahame using a cement mixer to make up his dog meals using chicken mince, beef , bread, water and a rapidvite product. No doubt they are specialists at training top liners but rearing pups on chicken carcasses can't be beneficial for a pups growth in comparison to red meat?
Carole Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 32355 Dogs 185 / Races 2 12 Jun 2012 09:41
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Paul, all Rod Deakin's pups were reared on chicken, frames and all, and mixed up in a similar mixer. Didn't do them any harm. They also had plenty of galloping.
Trevor Webb Australia (Verified User) Posts 371 Dogs 1 / Races 0 12 Jun 2012 12:06
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Can someone please explain to me why "red meat" is superior in any way to minced chicken frames...........I don't mean because "I say so" but based on scientific fact.
TW
Mark Schlegel Australia (Verified User) Posts 3168 Dogs 9 / Races 5 12 Jun 2012 12:11
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Trevor Webb wrote:
Can someone please explain to me why "red meat" is superior in any way to minced chicken frames...........I don't mean because "I say so" but based on scientific fact.
TW
"....red meat does have benefits that white meat simply lacks. For example, the nutrients zinc, iron, thiamine and riboflavin (in addition to vitamins B12 and B6) appear in much greater abundance in red meat. Moreover, red meat is a great source of muscle-building protein as well as being the best source of the antioxidant called alpha lipoic acid."
Google is your friend.
Sean O'Donnell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4262 Dogs 64 / Races 54 12 Jun 2012 13:53
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Iron is required for a number of key functions in the body: Iron is an important in transporting oxygen in the blood and in the muscles. Iron is involved in the electron transport system. This system controls the release of energy from cells. Iron is required for red blood cell production. Iron is required for a healthy immune system Inadequate iron in the body can impair aerobic metabolism by decreasing the delivery of oxygen to tissues and reducing the capacity of muscles to use oxygen for the oxidative production of energy.
Where does iron come from?
The body is unable to manufacture iron therefore the bodys iron needs must be fully supplied by the food we eat. Although iron is widely distributed in foods, some sources are better absorbed than others. The best sources of iron are foods with a high iron content and are easily absorbed by the body. Iron absorption is best (15-18%) from foods that contain haem iron. Red meat, seafood and poultry are the best sources of haem Iron absorption is best (15-18%) from foods that contain haem iron. Red meat, seafood and poultry are the best sources of haem iron.
Red meat is 3-6 times higher in iron and also contains specific amino acids unavailable in chicken!
Jarrad Dale Australia (Verified User) Posts 2143 Dogs 27 / Races 82 12 Jun 2012 14:56
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paul blyth wrote:
chicken mince, beef , bread, water and a rapidvite product.
Don McKernan (Verified User) Posts 52 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Jun 2012 19:35
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My query was based upon safety. As I said I have a reputable supplier-not from Dungannon. All I want to get is a bit of help re cooking chicken Your answers are a bit foul!!
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