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Dave Gilbert
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Bill Webb wrote:

Dave - would you agree that you need consider only Shelbourne runs in the in the second half when the new sand had settled and the track running faster. Also best to limit the comparison to races in similar Grades as an A2 run earlier in the year cannot be compared with the improved greyhound racing in AA0 later in the year.

The comparison is made more difficult by the fact that Cork has had spells when the track has also been flying but at face value the examples you have posted for Shelbourne after July 2012 for a greyhound racing in the same grade at Cork and Shelbourne suggests actual times at these tracks are virtually identical.

I post Standard Times 7 spots apart for these tracks but on my next update the stats may cause me to narrow or bridge that gap.

Of course, in the absence of meeting by meeting going allowances the IGB Grading Allowances can only be based on average times i.e when the going is Normal and on that basis its very hard to justify anything like the current 30 Fast for Cork.

Bill,

I qualified the content of the list by stating:

"...interpret it as you see fit..."

It is up to readers, if they have the inclination, to analyse the list in more detail. The reason that I posted the list is that this type of information comparing the same greyhounds winning at two tracks is not readily available from the Greyhound Data reports or database.

I have pasted below the monthly evolution of the average 525yd race winning times for Shelbourne in 2012 for A0* grades, it might shed some light on how Shelbourne has been running throughout the year. It is up to readers to interpret the figures as they see fit.

Venue Distance Races AvgWinTime RaceGrade RaceMonth
Shelbourne 525yd 17 28.79 A0 Jan-12
Shelbourne 525yd 16 28.75 A0 Feb-12
Shelbourne 525yd 24 28.76 A0 Mar-12
Shelbourne 525yd 31 28.79 A0 Apr-12
Shelbourne 525yd 41 28.66 A0 May-12
Shelbourne 525yd 22 28.76 A0 Jun-12
Shelbourne 525yd 17 28.72 AA0 Jun-12
Shelbourne 525yd 8 28.73 A0 Jul-12
Shelbourne 525yd 9 28.56 AA0 Jul-12
Shelbourne 525yd 1 28.63 A0 Aug-12
Shelbourne 525yd 1 28.45 A0/1 Aug-12
Shelbourne 525yd 10 28.73 AA0 Aug-12
Shelbourne 525yd 4 28.86 A0 Sep-12
Shelbourne 525yd 21 28.56 AA0 Sep-12
Shelbourne 525yd 7 28.76 A0 Oct-12
Shelbourne 525yd 10 28.67 AA0 Oct-12
Shelbourne 525yd 9 28.82 A0 Nov-12
Shelbourne 525yd 1 28.73 A0/1 Nov-12
Shelbourne 525yd 30 28.67 AA0 Nov-12
Shelbourne 525yd 2 29.12 A0 Dec-12
Shelbourne 525yd 16 28.32 AA0 Dec-12

Rgds



Bill Webb
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Dave - I realised the basis on which you posted the information and just tried to progress it a stage further.

Just by way of comparison I am showing below the monthly average times for AAO/AO winners in the fastest 200 races at Shelbourne and Cork 2012:

SHELBOURNE
MONTH NO TIME
Jan-12 ---5 28.55
Feb-12 ---5 28.48
Mar-12 ---8 28.54
Apr-12 ---13 28.50
May-12 ---20 28.53
Jun-12 ---12 28.47
Jul-12 ---9 28.47
Aug-12 ---4 28.51
Sep-12 ---16 28.45
Oct-12 ---8 28.46
Nov-12 ---14 28.42
Dec-12 ---19 28.32
ALL--- ---133 28.46

CORK
MONTH NO TIME
Jan-12 ---0 -----
Feb-12 ---1 28.68
Mar-12 ---3 28.70
Apr-12 ---6 28.46
May-12 ---5 28.60
Jun-12 ---0 -----
Jul-12 ---2 28.40
Aug-12 ---2 28.58
Sep-12 ---22 28.43
Oct-12 ---12 28.44
Nov-12 ---0 -----
Dec-12 ---0 -----
ALL--- ---53 28.47

A far from perfect comparison but at least points to the IGB 30 spots difference in allowances being wide of the mark.

Just out of interest there have been 6 A5 winners at Shelbourne dipping under 28.65 including a 28.30 this week but the best (albeit 3 of them) has been 28.66 at Cork.



Dave Gilbert
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16 Dec 2012 16:56


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Bill,

Based on the average winning times for A0* type races, both the figures I posted and the figures you posted suggest that there is no justification for a 30 spots difference between Shelbourne and Cork in 2012 for 525yds.

Other readers may not agree, that is their prerogative.

Rgds


Michael Lynam
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16 Dec 2012 19:15


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exactly my point .well done dave.



Laurence Byrne
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your assumption that the tracks are equal timewise would seem to be confirmed by this very genuine comparison,but there is a flaw in the argument.if you grade a dog in cork ao and do the same thing in shelbourne with a different dog, then the times recorded in both tracks will be similar,ie both ao.
however the dog in shelbourne may be 30 spots faster than the cork dog but because of the speed difference of the tracks ,both dogs have the SAME grade?
the 0nly genuine comparison on grade is to compare dogs who run in both venues,
college maybe has proved that limerick is 30 spots faster than shel pk,ie27.95 versus 28.22 and under the present grading system as her last clock in sh pk was 28.22 ,if we now add the 30 spots fast the time is 28.52!!!
so shelbourne is fastest track in ireland?



Francis Walsh
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-10 last night, a bit of a joke.


Frank Muldowney
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10 slow on what against other nights when its on fire

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