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Ben Hussary Australia (Verified User) Posts 303 Dogs 2 / Races 1 03 Jan 2015 09:22
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Craig Andrews wrote:
Can't wait for this dog to go to stud!
Just what the 2 x Paul W's need ... another cash cow! lol
Actually now I think about it, it may be as simple as needing to change one's first name to "Paul" if you want success at the top with the dogs. That's if the ilk of Wheeler, Westerveld, Stuart & Bartolo are anything to go by ... as they all sure seem to be doing ok for themselves!!!
Phil Hall Australia (Verified User) Posts 1320 Dogs 21 / Races 21 03 Jan 2015 09:33
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Simon Mallia wrote:
29.37 track record at the meadows tonight. Just a awesome dog
Interesting to see what they run in silver chief
Dale Chapman Australia (Verified User) Posts 181 Dogs 1 / Races 0 03 Jan 2015 13:42
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Musquin Bale is in the best form of his career and is a great dog in his own right yet Deed made him look like a mug, 29.75 stiff to run second lol
Jamie Quinlivian Australia (Verified User) Posts 8727 Dogs 10 / Races 0 04 Jan 2015 04:14
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dale chapman wrote:
Musquin Bale is in the best form of his career and is a great dog in his own right yet Deed made him look like a mug, 29.75 stiff to run second lol
Deed? He beat the old record held by Bale. Pedro is a very good damsire and I notice the Tears/Fox nick on the 5th line. Wonder how long this record will stand or whether its only a matter of time before Bale, Bale or Bale smash it.
Rob Horne Australia (Verified User) Posts 522 Dogs 1 / Races 3 04 Jan 2015 05:38
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Hmmm... Could also be broken by a Dyna, Allen, or Flex.
Lynda Bonner United Kingdom (Team Member) Posts 6240 Dogs 77 / Races 15 04 Jan 2015 06:36
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I can't think of many sires that have Sonic Flight in the second generation. Might be attractive for some.
Dale Chapman Australia (Verified User) Posts 181 Dogs 1 / Races 0 04 Jan 2015 07:12
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Jamie Quinlivian wrote:
dale chapman wrote:
Musquin Bale is in the best form of his career and is a great dog in his own right yet Deed made him look like a mug, 29.75 stiff to run second lol
Deed? He beat the old record held by Bale. Pedro is a very good damsire and I notice the Tears/Fox nick on the 5th line. Wonder how long this record will stand or whether its only a matter of time before Bale, Bale or Bale smash it.
Referring to Musquin Bale who ran 2nd to him and went 29.75. That time wins most Group 1 races at the track
Rob Horne Australia (Verified User) Posts 522 Dogs 1 / Races 3 24 Nov 2015 09:45
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Craig Andrews wrote:
Can't wait for this dog to go to stud!
Is he standing in AU?
Troy Scott Australia (Verified User) Posts 1573 Dogs 19 / Races 36 24 Nov 2015 11:17
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Rob Horne wrote:
Craig Andrews wrote:
Can't wait for this dog to go to stud!
Is he standing in AU?
Hope so!!! Last I heard PAW was being stuffed around by GRNSW, with AD and another dog that he wants to go to stud.
Luke Miller Australia (Verified User) Posts 794 Dogs 56 / Races 17 24 Nov 2015 18:17
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Dailly's have the authority to breed, one thing i don't understand is his father is still standing at stud, Why not use him? He is obviously doing something right as PAW has went back and used him 5 times this year.
Mick Mellington Australia (Verified User) Posts 408 Dogs 7 / Races 0 24 Nov 2015 21:25
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Rob Horne wrote:
Craig Andrews wrote:
Can't wait for this dog to go to stud!
Is he standing in AU?
Yes he is standing AT STUD. I have a bitch being mated at the moment. -- TALKALOT TEARS
Troy Scott Australia (Verified User) Posts 1573 Dogs 19 / Races 36 24 Nov 2015 21:35
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Luke Miller wrote:
Dailly's have the authority to breed, one thing i don't understand is his father is still standing at stud, Why not use him? He is obviously doing something right as PAW has went back and used him 5 times this year.
Allen Deed was a superior race dog compared to his old man, he deserves his chance at stud... even the great Fernando Bale hasn't gone quicker than Allen Deed at the Meadows, that's saying something. As a bonus in using the young bull, he has a far superior damline, so IMO Allen Deed is a major upgrade to Jarvis Bale.
Troy Scott Australia (Verified User) Posts 1573 Dogs 19 / Races 36 24 Nov 2015 21:38
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mick mellington wrote:
Rob Horne wrote:
Craig Andrews wrote:
Can't wait for this dog to go to stud!
Is he standing in AU?
Yes he is standing AT STUD. I have a bitch being mated at the moment. -- TALKALOT TEARS
Rob Horne Australia (Verified User) Posts 522 Dogs 1 / Races 3 24 Nov 2015 21:41
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Troy Scott wrote:
Luke Miller wrote:
Dailly's have the authority to breed, one thing i don't understand is his father is still standing at stud, Why not use him? He is obviously doing something right as PAW has went back and used him 5 times this year.
Allen Deed was a superior race dog compared to his old man, he deserves his chance at stud... even the great Fernando Bale hasn't gone quicker than Allen Deed at the Meadows, that's saying something. As a bonus in using the young bull, he has a far superior damline, so IMO Allen Deed is a major upgrade to Jarvis Bale.
I was thinking of using with a girl sired by Collision.
The Brett Lee in his dam line was the appealing factor (over his old man)..
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 24 Nov 2015 21:45
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Troy Scott wrote:
Luke Miller wrote:
Dailly's have the authority to breed, one thing i don't understand is his father is still standing at stud, Why not use him? He is obviously doing something right as PAW has went back and used him 5 times this year.
Allen Deed was a superior race dog compared to his old man, he deserves his chance at stud... even the great Fernando Bale hasn't gone quicker than Allen Deed at the Meadows, that's saying something. As a bonus in using the young bull, he has a far superior damline, so IMO Allen Deed is a major upgrade to Jarvis Bale.
Hi Troy
No argument that Allen Deed was a superior dog to his sire Jarvis Bale.
However, re the damline that's an arguable point LOL
Given that Jarvis Bale's damline is the one that produced the great Fernando Bale and his top class litter, we see another branch of the Gail's Beauty line outperforming
His sire does have the runs on the board and that makes him a usable proposition.
As Luke mentioned PAW has backed him with 5 bitches this year, therefore, you would think he has confidence in his dog to get the goods, especially after his first 6 litters with the dog.
However, Allen Deed with his great performances, toughness and well proven damline is worthy proposition. I can see PAW supporting him as well.
Troy Scott Australia (Verified User) Posts 1573 Dogs 19 / Races 36 24 Nov 2015 22:14
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Fair point Sandro, but what I was getting at is AD damline has been more prolific in the number of top class thrown directly from the dam line.
I was only looking at what's come out of each dam, not second offspring, which IMO is more important and relevant.
So when you compare the following, it's clear who has the better dam line:
GRETA BALE, GOLD RUSH BALE & JINDARRA BALE
VS
ROSEMARY BALE, KOBIE BALE & REGINA BALE
The top 3 are were superior on the track, and have been far superior in the breeding kennel.
Don't get me wrong guys, I love Javis Bale, I have two of his girls on my farm! :) I just think Allen Deed has more to offer, albeit he is obviously unproven, but so was Jarvis Bale at one point. ;)
Rob Horne Australia (Verified User) Posts 522 Dogs 1 / Races 3 25 Nov 2015 03:09
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importantly, is he advertised as a sire (anywhere) yet?
Mick Mellington Australia (Verified User) Posts 408 Dogs 7 / Races 0 25 Nov 2015 07:23
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ROB -- The Forum Administrator considers it " ADVERTISING " to give any details regarding your query. I have had posts removed previously relating to STUD DOG details.
Mick Mellington Australia (Verified User) Posts 408 Dogs 7 / Races 0 11 Feb 2016 08:49
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Has any dog yet broken " Allen Deeds " track record at the Meadows or come close to it? I don,t think "Dyna Double One" has. Fernando Bale did,nt.
Hayden Goody Australia (Verified User) Posts 209 Dogs 0 / Races 0 11 Feb 2016 10:26
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mick mellington wrote:
Has any dog yet broken " Allen Deeds " track record at the Meadows or come close to it? I don,t think "Dyna Double One" has. Fernando Bale did,nt.
Can't see any dog running around at the moment that could get close to it other than Dyna Double One on his night
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