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USA premier tracks

Brad Napper
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Where are the premier tracks in the USA?

Australia has Sandown Meadows and Wentworth Park, what would be the USA equivalent?

Thanks


Geoff Collins
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Gabriel Spencer
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I liked Derby Lane when I lived in the states,the crispy fried shrimp is delicious!
Birmingham Race Course - Provides wagering details, contacts, past results, programs, and a simulcast calendar. Alabama.
Bluffs Run Casino - Results, how to bet, message board, and contacts.
Derby Lane - Features entries, programs, results, statistics, kennel roster, track details, adoption information and online betting. Florida.
Dubuque Greyhound Park and Casino - Offers greyhound racing May through October, year round simulcasting and slot wagering with a restaurant and banquet facilities. Includes facility details, directions, racing schedule, highlights, results, and programs. Also features kennel roster, adoption information, wagering FAQs, and details about the Dubuque Racing Association. Iowa.
Flagler Dog Track and Sports Entertainment Center - Provides a calendar of upcoming events, facilities information, adoption details and contacts. Florida.
FloridaGreyhoundRacing.com - Tracks, links, contacts, results, facilities, map, and general information.
Gulf Greyhound - Racing information, schedules, results, history and a betting guide.
Hollywood Greyhound Race Track - Greyhound racing with live racing video, live race results and wagering. Hollywood Greyhound also simulcasts horse racing and harness racing. Florida.
Jacksonville Greyhound Racing - Features live online race information and video replay for all races. Florida.
JCKC Jefferson County Kennel Club - Offer a variety of simulcast events. Programs, results, photos and directions. Florida.
Melbourne Greyhound Park - Live racing from November to April. Official program, events, and results.
Mobile Greyhound Park - Results, racecards and betting from this greyhound stadium in Alabama.
Naples Fort Myers Greyhound Track - Live greyhound racing in Fort Meyers, FL.
Phoenix Greyhound Park - Provides an overview of the track, adoption information, off-track betting, and menu items. Arizona.
Seabrook Greyhound Park - Race results, entries, and schedules; photo gallery, greyhound adoption program, wager information, travel directions, dining room menus, special offers, and employment openings. New_Hampshire.
Southland Park Gaming and Racing - Details on the racing schedule, betting, track news, simulcast information, and the grayhounds season. Arkansas.
Tri-State Greyhound Park - Includes details of facilities, schedules and online betting.
Tucson Greyhound Park - Live and simulcast greyhound and thoroughbred racing 7 days a week. Includes a history of the facility, newsletter, schedules, and a look behind the scenes.
Twin River - Casino offers gaming, dining, greyhound racing, and entertainment in Lincoln, Rhode Island. Location, hours, gambling information, and schedule of races and special events.
Valley Race Park - Programs and charts, simulcast calendar, directions, contacts and offers information on greyhound racing and wagering.
Victoryland Greyhound Park - Provides a racing schedule, general park information, adoption, wagering, racing statistics, directions and contact information.


Geoff Collins
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Prize money levels on American greyhound tracks vary from track to track and from season to season but there is no question that the major US track Southland, is far and away the best paying track and has been for some time.

This week (to Oct 7th) Southland paid out around $3100 to the winner of a top grade 5/16th event while Wheeling Island paid out $990 for the equivalent event and Palm Beach paid just under $400.

Tri-State paid out just over $1000 for a top grade 5/16th win with Derby Lane and Jacksonville paying out just over $400

The best prize money attracts the best dogs and theres an argument to suggest that the majority of the top US dogs are racing at Southland. Its easy to understand why US breeders flock to sires that raced at Southland or produce the calibre of dogs suited to that track




Mick Whyte
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14 Oct 2018 10:54


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Geoff Collins wrote:

Prize money levels on American greyhound tracks vary from track to track and from season to season but there is no question that the major US track Southland, is far and away the best paying track and has been for some time.

This week (to Oct 7th) Southland paid out around $3100 to the winner of a top grade 5/16th event while Wheeling Island paid out $990 for the equivalent event and Palm Beach paid just under $400.

Tri-State paid out just over $1000 for a top grade 5/16th win with Derby Lane and Jacksonville paying out just over $400

The best prize money attracts the best dogs and theres an argument to suggest that the majority of the top US dogs are racing at Southland. Its easy to understand why US breeders flock to sires that raced at Southland or produce the calibre of dogs suited to that track

Geoff
I Have always wondered that obviously Southland attracts the best dogs in the USA but does that necessarly mean that these dogs are most suited to Australia as sires. USA tracks are generally a lot slower and harder runs than our fast tracks, so would a dog that excells at say Palm Beach but wouldnt be considered strong enough for Southland be more suited to our conditions as sire with early speed.
I know in the USA some breeders would have no worries about using a very good 600m dog where as here it would rarely happen.
Also to me they don't seem to keen on early speed sires and are quite happy to sell them overseas. Are they in love with strength as much as we are with speed ?

Cheers



Geoff Collins
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14 Oct 2018 11:36


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Thats almost another argument Mick .. and it has to do with the higher prize money levels for 3/8ths and 7/16th dogs at US tracks I think the 7/16th dogs at Southland earn somewhere close to $5000 (stand to be corrected) so owners chase dogs that can run 600m plus

As for the Southland sprinters .. look at the pace that Bella Infrared showed throughout his career and watch the run of the Konomi when he broke the record recently.. tremendous pace and could run out the 500m strongly

Palm Beach is a pace track but I have had it put to me that it is cheap pace .. not my words just repeating it .. having said that, I think it is a pretty general statement and that there would be dogs at Palm Beach that could cut it at Southland but stay at PB for different reasons such as bookings etc etc ... but if I had a sprinter that could run 500m then why race at PB for $400 as opposed to Southland for $3100



Mick Whyte
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Geoff Collins wrote:

Thats almost another argument Mick .. and it has to do with the higher prize money levels for 3/8ths and 7/16th dogs at US tracks I think the 7/16th dogs at Southland earn somewhere close to $5000 (stand to be corrected) so owners chase dogs that can run 600m plus

As for the Southland sprinters .. look at the pace that Bella Infrared showed throughout his career and watch the run of the Konomi when he broke the record recently.. tremendous pace and could run out the 500m strongly

Palm Beach is a pace track but I have had it put to me that it is cheap pace .. not my words just repeating it .. having said that, I think it is a pretty general statement and that there would be dogs at Palm Beach that could cut it at Southland but stay at PB for different reasons such as bookings etc etc ... but if I had a sprinter that could run 500m then why race at PB for $400 as opposed to Southland for $3100

Thanks Geoff
Any chance of getting Konomi, Fgf Chisum or Tip Top out here.


Bruce Teague
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Lots of fascinating info here for someone who is not expert at the breeding game.

However, there is some confusion about the definition of a "pace track" and therefore the worth of dogs that do well there.

Over the 500s in Oz there is a distinct difference between tracks which is a function of the shape of the track. For example, Gardens, Angle Park and Sandown are all the same distance (515m) and presumably have similar surfaces yet Sandown is by far the most demanding. This is explained by the relatively longer straights at Sandown v the more circular shape at the others.

Equally, wide runners do well at Sandown but less so at the others (or at Meadows).

Somewhat similar characteristics are present at over 520m at Cranbourne (tougher) compared to Wenty and Albion Park over the same distance.

To all that add the question of the relative ability to maintain speed on the turn, as opposed to the straight, and where there are variances.

Softer surfaces are obviously tougher to handle but there is much more to it than just that.

Oils aint oils.



Bruce Teague
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I am always fascinated by the number of people who "Disagree" but who can't be bothered saying why.

But I am amazed when they Disagree with a list of facts or factually based statements.

Clearly, whatever view they have is worthless - as is the use of Agree/Disagree options at all.


Bill Deguara
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16 Oct 2018 05:37


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Bruce Teague wrote:

I am always fascinated by the number of people who "Disagree" but who can't be bothered saying why.

But I am amazed when they Disagree with a list of facts or factually based statements.

Clearly, whatever view they have is worthless - as is the use of Agree/Disagree options at all.

Bruce it certainly does'nt look like greyhound racing is in a bad way in the U;S On the contrary it looks quiet healthy.



Ilse Rasmussen
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16 Oct 2018 13:10


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Sadly, Gabriel, a number of the US tracks you are listing have meanwhile closed their doors for good. Greyhounds race no longer at the following tracks:
Bluffs Run
Phoenix
Seabrook
Twin River
Victoryland
Gulf and Valley have had only a 2-month live racing (January/February), and Tucson has offered simulcast racing only (no live dogs).

You can find daily programs/results and live racing performances on the internet a EXTERNAL LINK - you will be able to watch your favorite dogs perform at your favorite track, as I do, every week! :-)




Martin James
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16 Oct 2018 14:10


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bill deguara wrote:

Bruce Teague wrote:

I am always fascinated by the number of people who "Disagree" but who can't be bothered saying why.

But I am amazed when they Disagree with a list of facts or factually based statements.

Clearly, whatever view they have is worthless - as is the use of Agree/Disagree options at all.

Bruce it certainly does'nt look like greyhound racing is in a bad way in the U;S On the contrary it looks quiet healthy.

Bill,
Residents of Florida will vote next month on the future of dog racing in the state.
Anti racing groups who think it better for racing greyhounds that they never existed have millions of dollars at their disposal to help campaign to "save the dogs"
They plan a "soft landing" for the dogs I. E find homes for 15000 odd redundant race dogs broods etc and when these dogs die of old age that's it job done _, they have saved the greyhounds.




Sandro Bechini
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martin james wrote:

bill deguara wrote:

Bruce Teague wrote:

I am always fascinated by the number of people who "Disagree" but who can't be bothered saying why.

But I am amazed when they Disagree with a list of facts or factually based statements.

Clearly, whatever view they have is worthless - as is the use of Agree/Disagree options at all.

Bruce it certainly does'nt look like greyhound racing is in a bad way in the U;S On the contrary it looks quiet healthy.

Bill,
Residents of Florida will vote next month on the future of dog racing in the state.
Anti racing groups who think it better for racing greyhounds that they never existed have millions of dollars at their disposal to help campaign to "save the dogs"
They plan a "soft landing" for the dogs I. E find homes for 15000 odd redundant race dogs broods etc and when these dogs die of old age that's it job done _, they have saved the greyhounds.

And with that the breed will die a slow death and become extinct if these nutcases were allowed to rule the world




Bill Deguara
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17 Oct 2018 03:37


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Sandro Bechini wrote:

martin james wrote:

bill deguara wrote:

Bruce Teague wrote:

I am always fascinated by the number of people who "Disagree" but who can't be bothered saying why.

But I am amazed when they Disagree with a list of facts or factually based statements.

Clearly, whatever view they have is worthless - as is the use of Agree/Disagree options at all.

Bruce it certainly does'nt look like greyhound racing is in a bad way in the U;S On the contrary it looks quiet healthy.

Bill,
Residents of Florida will vote next month on the future of dog racing in the state.
Anti racing groups who think it better for racing greyhounds that they never existed have millions of dollars at their disposal to help campaign to "save the dogs"
They plan a "soft landing" for the dogs I. E find homes for 15000 odd redundant race dogs broods etc and when these dogs die of old age that's it job done _, they have saved the greyhounds.

And with that the breed will die a slow death and become extinct if these nutcases were allowed to rule the world

A royal breed [GREYHOUNDS] that has been around for thousands of years kept by royalty,kept by the Pharoes,kept by the Kzars,and these idiots want to see it's demise.They ought to be shot just for thinking about this tragedy,and making it sound as if it's all about welfare,FU$#%ng Wankers ,Lunatics,etc.etc.



Bruce Teague
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17 Oct 2018 03:51


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Bill,

Lest others repeat your point, I suggest we alter your mentions of Pharaohs and Kzars to Kings and Queens of northern Europe and the UK.

I think it is fairly well established that Egypt and the rest of the Middle East were using "greyhound-like" dogs(salukis etc) - ie from a different branch of the general breed. Images scratched on tombs would look similar from a distance.

Note: I made a similar mistake in an introductory book for new greyhound fans.

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