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Cobalt doubts increase
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 19 Nov 2019 03:18
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Not for the first time, an expert dismissed the worth of cobalt in improving a horses performance, and so informed the NSW Court of Appeal. The Australian reported on 19 November
A leading NSW vet says cobalt has no performance-enhancing effects and the misuse of cobalt is ill-conceived.
Ross Wenzel, who works in the trace elements laboratory at the Royal North Shore Hospital, said cobalt does not actually have any documented performance-enhancing effects and does not appear to stimulate the production of red blood cells in racehorses. The misuse of cobalt is ill-conceived, he said. Excess cobalt is neither useful nor necessary. Public education is needed on this topic.
The greyhound ban on cobalt also failed to present any evidence that it was an aid to performance. By and large, the greyhound rule is no more than a hand-me-down from the thoroughbreds. GA did no more than check the amount of cobalt in the systems of a few hundred dogs. That is not research worthy of the name yet all the states blindly applied the rule.
At the very least the various GBOTAs should be campaigning for the removal of this unnecessary restriction.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 19 Nov 2019 04:45
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Bruce Teague wrote:
Not for the first time, an expert dismissed the worth of cobalt in improving a horses performance, and so informed the NSW Court of Appeal. The Australian reported on 19 November
A leading NSW vet says cobalt has no performance-enhancing effects and the misuse of cobalt is ill-conceived.
Ross Wenzel, who works in the trace elements laboratory at the Royal North Shore Hospital, said cobalt does not actually have any documented performance-enhancing effects and does not appear to stimulate the production of red blood cells in racehorses. The misuse of cobalt is ill-conceived, he said. Excess cobalt is neither useful nor necessary. Public education is needed on this topic.
The greyhound ban on cobalt also failed to present any evidence that it was an aid to performance. By and large, the greyhound rule is no more than a hand-me-down from the thoroughbreds. GA did no more than check the amount of cobalt in the systems of a few hundred dogs. That is not research worthy of the name yet all the states blindly applied the rule.
At the very least the various GBOTAs should be campaigning for the removal of this unnecessary restriction.
wow Bruce i think this post will give you that much needed break 4 agree's in 15 min There you go i was wrong people do read your diatribe more than they admit.. Brucey
Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 19 Nov 2019 05:00
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it's probably the anti's.
they must love his doom and gloom, lol.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 19 Nov 2019 07:50
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simon moore wrote:
it's probably the anti's.
they must love his doom and gloom, lol.
Simon 9 likes for Brucey ....Anti or not you must admit this must be his best post so for for 2019 ...
Maybe Bruce can add some more articles surrounding Cobalt for us to talk about and share now ....
Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 19 Nov 2019 08:03
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Kevin Wright wrote:
simon moore wrote:
it's probably the anti's.
they must love his doom and gloom, lol.
Simon 9 likes for Brucey ....Anti or not you must admit this must be his best post so for for 2019 ...
Maybe Bruce can add some more articles surrounding Cobalt for us to talk about and share now ....
the likes r for the article, not for him, pmsl.
and one good post out of 30,000 is still a poor strike rate whichever way u look at it.
Nathan Absalom United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 128 Dogs 0 / Races 0 19 Nov 2019 20:42
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It's pretty clear that cobalt is not performance enhancing in greyhounds. If you look through the handful of greyhounds that have positive swabs for serious performance enhancers, they have all been taken from winning greyhounds. The positive swabs for cobalt are instead coming from both random pre-race swabs and winning swabs in a near random fashion. It's actually a nice, clean experiment.
Gavin William Lowe Australia (Verified User) Posts 36 Dogs 3 / Races 0 20 Nov 2019 23:04
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Hi Bruce Food for thought. This a very crude analysis. B12 or cyanocobalamin Break in down to 2 parts. Cyanide and cobalt. If the cobalt is not the active part then the cyanide must be. Cyanide is a poison so therefore it may work similar to the other poison arsenic?????? There is also methyl cobalamin. Regards Gavin Lowe
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 20 Nov 2019 23:34
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Gavin William Lowe wrote:
Hi Bruce Food for thought. This a very crude analysis. B12 or cyanocobalamin Break in down to 2 parts. Cyanide and cobalt. If the cobalt is not the active part then the cyanide must be. Cyanide is a poison so therefore it may work similar to the other poison arsenic?????? There is also methyl cobalamin. Regards Gavin Lowe
Hi Gavin welcome to the forum Could you supply us with some more information please
Gavin William Lowe Australia (Verified User) Posts 36 Dogs 3 / Races 0 21 Nov 2019 00:31
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Just Google anything to do with b12 cyanocobalamin, methyl cobalamin, break them down to find what each part of chemical name means. You can then deduce, analyze and come to some conclusion. The amounts of each element would have to be taken into consideration for its part it plays. If u have anyone who has chemistry background they may well be able to advise you. As i say its just food for thought.
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