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Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6013 Dogs 0 / Races 0 08 Mar 2017 01:06
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Gee Kevin I hope the Alliance isn't taking credit for the ban being overturned! Remember these names Jones, Hadley, Devine, Clennel, Murray etc. The Ban was overturned due to Political pressure from these people.
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 08 Mar 2017 01:15
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When I say participants I did mean mainly an old one in Ray.lol Geez how much pull does that bloke have.All those names that were great were all I imagine phone calls he made subsequently after the dreaded ban media conference.My point was the alliance was more than a name it was symbolic of unity in the industry austalian wide and politicians were scared.Had them by the short and curlies but we backed down and bent over.Real shame...
Ronald George Hunter Australia (Verified User) Posts 4317 Dogs 0 / Races 0 08 Mar 2017 03:43
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If you wear the hat, and the costume, then your there to act! No one is acting on our part. We got dealt a shonky hand, from a shonky pack! If we were adjudged as being right, how come were still wrong! We might have won the day, but we have lost the fight! "We can't do anything about it"! What more evidence do you want!
Tony Digiorgio Australia (Verified User) Posts 1008 Dogs 25 / Races 0 08 Mar 2017 05:13
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kevin gordon wrote:
Hello Anthony
The Alliance was put together within 24hrs of The Governments anouncement that they intended to close our industry. The Alliance had only one mission and that was to fight the Government and have the decision reversed. When The Premier made the statement "we got it wrong" our job was basically done. The Premier also at the time put together a Reform Panel headed by former Labor Premier Morris Iemma to put together with industry consultation recommendations for new legislation to replace existing. The Alliance has no power or controll over that group or GRNSW. We have however put forward a lengthy response to The Racing Minister Paul Toole regarding the Reform Panel's recommendations as I hope most partisapants have.
Kevin
Hi Kevin, You mention that the Reform Panel are putting together new legislation with "industry consultation". Could you please advise who the industry participants are that are assisting and advising with this project?
Thanks, Tony
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 08 Mar 2017 05:29
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Tony there is a "Panel of Experts advising the Panel" roflmao
Mick Thompson Australia (Verified User) Posts 634 Dogs 15 / Races 8 08 Mar 2017 06:01
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Same ole shit different day we are the Mushrooms once again. & bending over coping it up the rear end once a gain as well.Where is the fight we all had in us at the rally in Sydney & we seemed to be United.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 08 Mar 2017 06:14
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Mushrooms is an understatement, who asked the industry participants if they wanted to drop the Court case ????????????????????
Mick Thompson Australia (Verified User) Posts 634 Dogs 15 / Races 8 08 Mar 2017 07:10
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Mark Staines wrote:
Mushrooms is an understatement, who asked the industry participants if they wanted to drop the Court case ????????????????????
Think deals have already been done Mark & we are still all in the fkn dark.
Anthony Jeffress Australia (Verified User) Posts 3669 Dogs 54 / Races 10 08 Mar 2017 09:06
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Mark Staines wrote:
Mushrooms is an understatement, who asked the industry participants if they wanted to drop the Court case ????????????????????
It's even worse than that, I believe.
You (they) can't have it both ways (nor are 50c each way bets permitted). Either "The Alliance" is calling the shots and "in charge" of policy (on behalf of participants); OR it's the (NSW) Gbota that must be 'advising' (directing? Instructing?) Brenton Scott.
Good luck getting an answer to which it is. I mean, it's again (another) pretty simple and direct question; which you'd think (hope) was equally simple enough to answer.
You know; like the many previous questions we as industry participants asked on here & elsewhere; yet we're STILL awaiting a reply to!
If I didn't know better, you'd possibly think the ongoing and prolonged periods of silence, then interspersed with out-of-the-blue posts which seem to talk around in circles, might in fact be an attempt to bamboozle the lay greyhound participant. Hmmmm, the latter is rather mushroom-like colloquially speaking, isn't it?! ;-)
But that's probably just the skeptical part of me rearing its head again...
Kev Galloway Australia (Verified User) Posts 2447 Dogs 5 / Races 0 08 Mar 2017 09:30
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IF Brenton Scott was involved in the the ICA 17 years ago,it beggars belief that he is currently entrusted to negotiate the future of the code NOW.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 08 Mar 2017 12:44
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No if about it Kevin.
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 08 Mar 2017 20:07
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Got five minutes with Brenton last nite and did thank him for the huge amount work he and the alliance did to get things reversed(supposedly)what really concerns me though when I asked him about the new rules and the effects its having on breaking pups in and the complete disconnect the leaders and the participants he was firm that people weren't socialising with the pups during rearing and rushing breaking in that's the reason pups aren't going under these new arrangements.He also used the phrase race if you chase which makes me wonder with breeding numbers way down and every one noting the difficulty to get pups keen enough with the artificial lure.When I explained many were only breaking in with another dog or two in some cases it was a recipe for heaps of non chasing in the future he was adamant that every one will have to break them in longer like in Ireland and socialise them more as pups.I did come away from the talk pretty worried that our leader just doesn't get it.
Dan McDonald Australia (Verified User) Posts 402 Dogs 9 / Races 0 08 Mar 2017 20:25
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How many winners has he trained?
Tony Gallagher Australia (Team Member) Posts 5912 Dogs 12952 / Races 40209 08 Mar 2017 20:27
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"every one will have to break them in longer like in Ireland"
This is not the case in Ireland. Dogs are taken to the track and given a trial normally well and truly underdone as their education has been minimal. In the UK and Ireland dogs are graded on their trial time so it is in the trainers interest not to have them ready until their first race. It is not usual for a dog to improve 7 lengths or even 15 lengths when it has its first race start.
So if we are aiming to go down this road we are definitely heading in the wrong direction.
Mick Thompson Australia (Verified User) Posts 634 Dogs 15 / Races 8 08 Mar 2017 20:35
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james saunders wrote:
Got five minutes with Brenton last nite and did thank him for the huge amount work he and the alliance did to get things reversed(supposedly)what really concerns me though when I asked him about the new rules and the effects its having on breaking pups in and the complete disconnect the leaders and the participants he was firm that people weren't socialising with the pups during rearing and rushing breaking in that's the reason pups aren't going under these new arrangements.He also used the phrase race if you chase which makes me wonder with breeding numbers way down and every one noting the difficulty to get pups keen enough with the artificial lure.When I explained many were only breaking in with another dog or two in some cases it was a recipe for heaps of non chasing in the future he was adamant that every one will have to break them in longer like in Ireland and socialise them more as pups.I did come away from the talk pretty worried that our leader just doesn't get it.
So what now we have the the fkn people in Ireland tell us how to do shit in Aus FFS
Kev Galloway Australia (Verified User) Posts 2447 Dogs 5 / Races 0 08 Mar 2017 21:20
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Mark Staines wrote:
No if about it Kevin.
IF that's the case,then the whole NSW GBOTA needs a total clean out,NO industry in the world would tolerate incompetence at such high levels, NSW stakeholders NEED to eliminate the dead wood at the top urgently.IMO
Tony Gallagher Australia (Team Member) Posts 5912 Dogs 12952 / Races 40209 08 Mar 2017 22:39
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kev galloway wrote:
IF Brenton Scott was involved in the the ICA 17 years ago,it beggars belief that he is currently entrusted to negotiate the future of the code NOW.
It is very harsh judging someone on what they may of done 17 years ago without knowing the full story.
I know what the Alliance has done, and that was to act quickly and put both the finances and a team together to help overturn the decision to ban racing in NSW.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 08 Mar 2017 22:53
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The full story is Mr Scott and other's signed off on the ICA knowing it was nothing short of a "DUD DEAL" for the N.S.W. Greyhound Industry, Mr Scott has said this publicly.
Mick Thompson Australia (Verified User) Posts 634 Dogs 15 / Races 8 08 Mar 2017 22:58
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Mark Staines wrote:
The full story is Mr Scott and other's signed off on the ICA knowing it was nothing short of a "DUD DEAL" for the N.S.W. Greyhound Industry, Mr Scott has said this publicly.
Back in them days it was the Horsey way or the Hwy to ???
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 08 Mar 2017 23:08
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Mick my late Father in Law was a life member of the GBOTA and a very active Delegate for many years. He was absolutely disgusted in how Mr Scott and his Board of Directors handled the ICA and he certainly told them that.
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