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Noel McCaskie
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09 Mar 2017 00:04


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Tony Gallagher wrote:

kev galloway wrote:

IF Brenton Scott was involved in the the ICA 17 years ago,it beggars belief that he is currently entrusted to negotiate the future of the code NOW.

It is very harsh judging someone on what they may of done 17 years ago without knowing the full story.

I know what the Alliance has done, and that was to act quickly and put both the finances and a team together to help overturn the decision to ban racing in NSW.

Tony

They had the ban overturned with the help of
participants and alot of high profile people,some of what they have done has saved our skin,but some of the deals they have done and are doing are outrageous ,REMEMBER we were in the process of change before the shit hit the fan which all come about because of LIVE BAITING,L


Anthony Jeffress
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09 Mar 2017 00:23


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Tony Gallagher wrote:

kev galloway wrote:

IF Brenton Scott was involved in the the ICA 17 years ago,it beggars belief that he is currently entrusted to negotiate the future of the code NOW.

It is very harsh judging someone on what they may of done 17 years ago without knowing the full story.

I know what the Alliance has done, and that was to act quickly and put both the finances and a team together to help overturn the decision to ban racing in NSW.

I am sure Greyhound-data and its massive readership would LOVE Mr Scott to come on here and tell his "side of the story". I will wait with bated (baited?) breath!

In fact while he's doing that, perhaps we can compile and then present him with the long list of unanswered questions about The Alliance and its "decision making processes"; and put those to him for him to address. He is their official Spokesperson, after all, isn't he?

PS: For the record, Tony, I believe the key word in your last paragraph is "HELP". They did not, could not, and never would, have been able to do it alone. This ongoing "reverence" in some sectors for "The Alliance" has been significantly overplayed and overstated (in my view).

Moving along...

One only needs to read The Daily Telegraph article today to understand 2 critical things:

(1) The ban HAS NOT YET BEEN REPEALED .... And - for whatever reason - IT IS NOT YET A FOREGONE CONCLUSION that it will be! And ...

(2) The industry is potentially in a unique position to seek (possibly "demand") SIGNIFICANT SUMS OF MONEY; a lot of which we have been "dudded out of" for 2 reasons; namely the horrendous I.C.A. (hmmmm, who were the parties to those negotiations again???); and much more recently, our "shunning" in the Tax Parity rejigging. At least the likes of Robert Borsak, Robert Brown, and Fred Nile seem to "get it". And are using their positions and possible "balance of power" to try to extract something akin to what we DESERVE. And that's a much greater funding, or bigger "slice of the pie". Hey, it's only fair ....





Dan Hollywood
Australia
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09 Mar 2017 09:28


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Tony Gallagher wrote:

kev galloway wrote:

IF Brenton Scott was involved in the the ICA 17 years ago,it beggars belief that he is currently entrusted to negotiate the future of the code NOW.

It is very harsh judging someone on what they may of done 17 years ago without knowing the full story.

I know what the Alliance has done, and that was to act quickly and put both the finances and a team together to help overturn the decision to ban racing in NSW.

And Tony, they then rolled over. There is only one way to beat this and they know it. Yes they acted quickly but they never completed their job, letting the whole industry down.


James Saunders
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09 Mar 2017 23:06


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I know Dan you enjoy a good conspiracy theory like I do.Mine is the honourable leader of the team may be holidaying in Switzerland this time next year .The snows great they say and the banks don't ask a lot of questions.


Michael Geraghty
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10 Mar 2017 02:11


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james saunders wrote:

Got five minutes with Brenton last nite and did thank him for the huge amount work he and the alliance did to get things reversed(supposedly)what really concerns me though when I asked him about the new rules and the effects its having on breaking pups in and the complete disconnect the leaders and the participants he was firm that people weren't socialising with the pups during rearing and rushing breaking in that's the reason pups aren't going under these new arrangements.He also used the phrase race if you chase which makes me wonder with breeding numbers way down and every one noting the difficulty to get pups keen enough with the artificial lure.When I explained many were only breaking in with another dog or two in some cases it was a recipe for heaps of non chasing in the future he was adamant that every one will have to break them in longer like in Ireland and socialise them more as pups.I did come away from the talk pretty worried that our leader just doesn't get it.

"When I asked him about the new rules and the effects its having on breaking pups in and the complete disconnect the leaders and the participants he was firm that people weren't socialising with the pups during rearing and rushing breaking in that's the reason pups aren't going under these new arrangements.He also used the phrase 'race if you chase'..."

If this is true, it is simply not acceptable for a person of this thought process to be in ANY position.
BEGONE.



Mark Schlegel
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10 Mar 2017 02:36


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Michael Geraghty wrote:

james saunders wrote:

Got five minutes with Brenton last nite and did thank him for the huge amount work he and the alliance did to get things reversed(supposedly)what really concerns me though when I asked him about the new rules and the effects its having on breaking pups in and the complete disconnect the leaders and the participants he was firm that people weren't socialising with the pups during rearing and rushing breaking in that's the reason pups aren't going under these new arrangements.He also used the phrase race if you chase which makes me wonder with breeding numbers way down and every one noting the difficulty to get pups keen enough with the artificial lure.When I explained many were only breaking in with another dog or two in some cases it was a recipe for heaps of non chasing in the future he was adamant that every one will have to break them in longer like in Ireland and socialise them more as pups.I did come away from the talk pretty worried that our leader just doesn't get it.

"When I asked him about the new rules and the effects its having on breaking pups in and the complete disconnect the leaders and the participants he was firm that people weren't socialising with the pups during rearing and rushing breaking in that's the reason pups aren't going under these new arrangements.He also used the phrase 'race if you chase'..."

If this is true, it is simply not acceptable for a person of this thought process to be in ANY position.
BEGONE.


So......can we all agree that we all agree that LESS pups are chasing and breaking in successfully than before???

Ergo, the new rules have DEFINITELY contributed to that?

So, the new rules are in fact ANTI-welfare?

As someone that always socialised my pups extremely well (I have never had a failed break-in....EVER)........I would like to know if our esteemed "leaders" will guarantee me that ALL of my dogs will still chase under the new rules?
If not, when will the RSPCA be charging them with wilful neglect or prejudicial behaviour?


James Saunders
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10 Mar 2017 02:40


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Manipulated to say anything the new puppet masters direct him too.The alliance has morphed back into its original being.The gbota.Who cared about greyhound welfare as much as Donald trump cares for the Oscars.Now all of a sudden they are the experts on socialising with pups and cuddly feely stuff.What they don't understand is you can train any dog to go from point A to B but it doesn't make it a race dog and the PTB are going to find all this out in another two years.


Mark Staines
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10 Mar 2017 03:07


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Would you Work for no reward ??



James Saunders
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10 Mar 2017 03:13


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What a waste of some potential real top flight dogs.Over a simple dead rabbit.MADNESS!!!


Michael Geraghty
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10 Mar 2017 23:05


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Mark Staines wrote:

Would you Work for no reward ??

It's the basic principle for training ALL animals, including humans.
Brenton Scott is bowing to the ridiculous over - reaction and compromising the integrity of the animal and therefore, the whole industry.
It's not good enough and it has to stop.

I'll post a little something later...


Kev Galloway
Australia
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11 Mar 2017 00:31


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Michael Geraghty wrote:

Mark Staines wrote:

Would you Work for no reward ??

It's the basic principle for training ALL animals, including humans.
Brenton Scott is bowing to the ridiculous over - reaction and compromising the integrity of the animal and therefore, the whole industry.
It's not good enough and it has to stop.

I'll post a little something later...


Brenton Scott is as big a liability NOW AS HE WAS 17 YEARS AGO,wake up GBOTA AND GET RID OF THE DEAD WOOD.


Jim Absalom
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11 Mar 2017 03:10


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There will be a clause in the GBOTA NSW constitution to call a special meeting by a set number of members, to call for a no confidence vote with the current committee or committee member.

Any member/s with written notice can view the association books.

If the current committees of the GBOTA or Alliance are causing you grief then vote them out.





Kevin Wright
Australia
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11 Mar 2017 20:23


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Jim Absalom wrote:

There will be a clause in the GBOTA NSW constitution to call a special meeting by a set number of members, to call for a no confidence vote with the current committee or committee member.

Any member/s with written notice can view the association books.

If the current committees of the GBOTA or Alliance are causing you grief then vote them out.


This is very important and the Members of each GOTBA should call for a VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE ...Australia wide...

We can take back what we have lost with some strong people leading the charge using every STATES GOTBA to achieve our goals ..

Set down agenda's Australia WIDE each group working as ONE ...

It can be done but we carry wastage that has to be removed ...

Who is wastage for our INDUSTRY..

WHO CREATES WASTAGE EACH YEAR IN LARGE NUMBERS ..

Whats good for the GOOSE is good for the GANDER ..



Mark Staines
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11 Mar 2017 21:47


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Jim Absalom wrote:

There will be a clause in the GBOTA NSW constitution to call a special meeting by a set number of members, to call for a no confidence vote with the current committee or committee member.

Any member/s with written notice can view the association books.

If the current committees of the GBOTA or Alliance are causing you grief then vote them out.

I left the GBOTA years a go and i believe a lot more have left since.



Kevin Wright
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12 Mar 2017 04:32


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SECRET GREYHOUND RACING DOCUMENTS TO BE RELEASED

Very interesting times ahead ...

Mrs Magoo is at it again ..

Conspiracies. Cover ups .Corruption ....

OH Magoo you done it again ..

Wednesday, March 8, 2017 | Dr Mehreen Faruqi
The NSW Legislative Council has voted to release hundreds of Greyhound Racing NSW papers that had previously been declared as privileged. Greens NSW Animal Welfare Spokesperson Dr Mehreen Faruqis motion to force Greyhound Racing NSW to release thousands of documents related to greyhound welfare passed the Legislative Council in September last year, but thousands of documents in 118 boxes were declared privileged and not accessible by the public. Her challenge to the claim of privilege by Greyhound Racing NSW has been upheld by the appointed Independent Arbiter and the previously hidden documents will be released over the next two weeks.

Dr Faruqi said: This has been an almost six month process but I am pleased to see that these documents will soon be released. They should never have been hidden in the first place.

The papers that have been previously released were the tip of the iceberg, showed an industry rife with animal cruelty and cover-ups, including evidence of widespread live baiting, evidence of vets falsely or misleadingly filing euthanasia certificates for dogs, the killing of pups considered not suitable for racing and the involvement of outlaw motorcycle clubs.

With the release of these papers the public will be able to see even more evidence of why the ban on greyhound racing must stay. The Governments proposed reforms wont be enough to stop the cruelty, especially in the absence of a breeding cap , she concluded.

Thursday, March 9, 2017
The NSW Legislative Council has voted to release hundreds of Greyhound Racing NSW papers that had previously been declared as privileged. Greens NSW Animal Welfare Spokesperson Dr Mehreen Faruqis motion to force Greyhound Racing NSW to release thousands of documents related to greyhound welfare passed the Legislative Council in September last year, but thousands of documents in 118 boxes were declared privileged and not accessible by the public.

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Mark Staines
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12 Mar 2017 04:46


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Looks like Faruqi the fruit loop is at it again.



Dan Hollywood
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12 Mar 2017 07:34


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And what was the court case they lost about ??? releasing documents. LMFAO



Kevin Gordon
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12 Mar 2017 22:55


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13 March 2017

Dear Stakeholders,

The NSW Greyhound Racing Industry Alliance has responded to the recommendations of the NSW Greyhound Industry Reform Panel report.

The Reform Panel report was released to the public by the Racing Minister, the honorable Paul Toole, on February 16, 2016.

Whilst supporting the vast majority of recommendations, the Alliance submission specifically addressed controlled breeding, total lifecycle management and future funding needs.
The Alliance was pleased to note that the Reform Panel had supported a national approach to controlled breeding. This is the most appropriate way to properly plan for breeding activity that is in line with our future national racing programme and our responsibility to lifecycle management.

Our feedback to the Minister also challenged the proposed bond for breeders or owners. Our position in this regard had been strongly put to the Reform Panel and was reinforced in our submission to the Minister.

Whilst the Alliance clearly support the principle of the industry and its stakeholders planning for the costs associated with the post racing phase for all greyhounds, we believe there are alternative options, including a prizemoney levy approach, that can better achieve the same outcome.

It is crystal clear that the recommendations of the panel, if supported by the Government, will come at considerable additional cost. Given this, the Alliance submission strongly supported Government intervention in the re-visitation of the Inter-code Deed and wagering tax harmonization.

The greyhound industry is currently cross subsidizing the thoroughbred and harness racing codes by more than $25m a year. It will be very difficult, without an improved funding model, for the current level of regional racing to be maintained, whilst also meeting the non-negotiable improvements to regulation, governance and animal welfare management.
Pivotal to the Alliance submission was the Governments handling of the tax harmonization in 2015. This process had the objective of providing long term sustainability to the three codes of racing and was the most obvious opportunity for the Government to have impact on the disadvantage being experienced by the greyhound industry as a result of the Inter-code. Despite this, the sustainability of greyhound racing was not addressed properly and, as such, wagering taxation remains a matter that the Government should be open to reconsidering.

The Alliance and NSW GBOTA have supported their submission to the Minister with a number of key political briefings in recent weeks. Barton Deakin have also been re-engaged to assist with Government relations as we move through a critical stage in the Governments consideration of the NSW greyhound racing industrys future.
In other news, the Alliance also endorsed the discontinuation of Supreme Court proceedings between the NSW GBOTA and the Attorney General. These proceedings were launched last August and had sought a declaration that the report arising from the Special Commission of Inquiry into NSW Greyhound Racing report was invalid and of no legal effect because it was beyond the jurisdiction of the Commissioner.

The decision to discontinue was taken in light of the October 11, 2016 Government announcement to overturn the ban and the Minister for Racings unequivocal commitment (made on February 16 when releasing the Reform Panels report) to repeal the prohibition legislation. Given this and the fact that the case was connected to the complexies of proving jurisdictional error, it was felt the proceedings no longer served an end purpose that could justify further expenditure of industry funds on their continuation.
The errors in the Special Commissions report have been widely reported and the Alliance and the NSW GBOTA intend to ensure that such information remains a matter for public record.

The Federal Court action, which sought to contest the prohibition legislation on constitutional grounds, remains on hold until such time as the legislation is repealed.
The Alliance and NSW GBOTA are satisfied that the legal strategy put in place has been highly effective.

We believe that our team sent the strongest possible message that all legal options would be fiercely fought until such time as it was clear that the prohibition legislation was repealed.

Yours sincerely,

Communication Team
NSW Greyhound Racing Industry Alliance





Noel McCaskie
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13 Mar 2017 01:37


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kevin gordon wrote:

13 March 2017

Dear Stakeholders,

The NSW Greyhound Racing Industry Alliance has responded to the recommendations of the NSW Greyhound Industry Reform Panel report.

The Reform Panel report was released to the public by the Racing Minister, the honorable Paul Toole, on February 16, 2016.

Whilst supporting the vast majority of recommendations, the Alliance submission specifically addressed controlled breeding, total lifecycle management and future funding needs.
The Alliance was pleased to note that the Reform Panel had supported a national approach to controlled breeding. This is the most appropriate way to properly plan for breeding activity that is in line with our future national racing programme and our responsibility to lifecycle management.

Our feedback to the Minister also challenged the proposed bond for breeders or owners. Our position in this regard had been strongly put to the Reform Panel and was reinforced in our submission to the Minister.

Whilst the Alliance clearly support the principle of the industry and its stakeholders planning for the costs associated with the post racing phase for all greyhounds, we believe there are alternative options, including a prizemoney levy approach, that can better achieve the same outcome.

It is crystal clear that the recommendations of the panel, if supported by the Government, will come at considerable additional cost. Given this, the Alliance submission strongly supported Government intervention in the re-visitation of the Inter-code Deed and wagering tax harmonization.

The greyhound industry is currently cross subsidizing the thoroughbred and harness racing codes by more than $25m a year. It will be very difficult, without an improved funding model, for the current level of regional racing to be maintained, whilst also meeting the non-negotiable improvements to regulation, governance and animal welfare management.
Pivotal to the Alliance submission was the Governments handling of the tax harmonization in 2015. This process had the objective of providing long term sustainability to the three codes of racing and was the most obvious opportunity for the Government to have impact on the disadvantage being experienced by the greyhound industry as a result of the Inter-code. Despite this, the sustainability of greyhound racing was not addressed properly and, as such, wagering taxation remains a matter that the Government should be open to reconsidering.

The Alliance and NSW GBOTA have supported their submission to the Minister with a number of key political briefings in recent weeks. Barton Deakin have also been re-engaged to assist with Government relations as we move through a critical stage in the Governments consideration of the NSW greyhound racing industrys future.
In other news, the Alliance also endorsed the discontinuation of Supreme Court proceedings between the NSW GBOTA and the Attorney General. These proceedings were launched last August and had sought a declaration that the report arising from the Special Commission of Inquiry into NSW Greyhound Racing report was invalid and of no legal effect because it was beyond the jurisdiction of the Commissioner.

The decision to discontinue was taken in light of the October 11, 2016 Government announcement to overturn the ban and the Minister for Racings unequivocal commitment (made on February 16 when releasing the Reform Panels report) to repeal the prohibition legislation. Given this and the fact that the case was connected to the complexies of proving jurisdictional error, it was felt the proceedings no longer served an end purpose that could justify further expenditure of industry funds on their continuation.
The errors in the Special Commissions report have been widely reported and the Alliance and the NSW GBOTA intend to ensure that such information remains a matter for public record.

The Federal Court action, which sought to contest the prohibition legislation on constitutional grounds, remains on hold until such time as the legislation is repealed.
The Alliance and NSW GBOTA are satisfied that the legal strategy put in place has been highly effective.

We believe that our team sent the strongest possible message that all legal options would be fiercely fought until such time as it was clear that the prohibition legislation was repealed.

Yours sincerely,

Communication Team
NSW Greyhound Racing Industry Alliance

PARTICIPANTS PLEASE READ THE ABOVE CAREFULLY

IMO this just goes to show that WE the PARTICIPANTS have been well and TRULY SOLD OUT by the people that were put in to FIGHT OUR FIGHT.

After reading this the GBOTA and the ALLIANCE do not deserve ANY support from any PARTICIPANT IN nsw, Thats JMO



Mark Staines
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Noel Mr Gordon has failed to answer the question i put to him, the silence is deafening and in my opinion a deal has been done with the State Government, lets hope that someone from the Alliance / GBOTA can find some "INTESTINAL FORTITUDE" and tell us about it.

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