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Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6013 Dogs 0 / Races 0 17 Jun 2018 11:01
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phil hall wrote:
if he the only sire being used at high rate guess you would see the amount off winners lol
Lots of smart breeders out there Phil!
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 19 Jun 2018 08:07
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michael brcic wrote:
Jodie Lord wrote:
rumor is he's going to 8k
I was hoping the get on the wait list at $7000 but he's now $8800
i guess its also bad news for someone who had a miss , at the $5500 stud fee , he/ she gets a refund less 10% $5000 but if wants a replacement has to pay an extra $3300
Brett Margerison Australia (Verified User) Posts 690 Dogs 16 / Races 0 19 Jun 2018 08:15
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Surely not... Surely just gets the replacement vial...
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 19 Jun 2018 08:43
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Brett Margerison wrote:
Surely not... Surely just gets the replacement vial...
BRETT you need to read up a little on T@Cs as they call them these days, the terms and conditions on the website has been written by a Philadelphia lawyer lol
11.1.1. refund the Purchase Price to the Buyer: 11.1.1.1. less 10% if the Bitch is under the age of eight (8) years; or 11.1.1.2. less 50% if the Bitch is eight (8) years of age or more; or alternatively 11.1.2. replace the Goods with: 11.1.2.1. a frozen semen breeding unit(s) from the same Stud Dog provided that the said Stud Dog is alive and fertile and the cost of such Goods has not increased since Delivery. If the cost of such Goods has increased since Delivery then any such replacement will be subject to the Buyer paying the difference in value to the Seller;
Colin Bermingham Australia (Verified User) Posts 340 Dogs 4 / Races 17 19 Jun 2018 10:07
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Michael Barry wrote:
Brett Margerison wrote:
Surely not... Surely just gets the replacement vial...
BRETT you need to read up a little on T@Cs as they call them these days, the terms and conditions on the website has been written by a Philadelphia lawyer lol
11.1.1. refund the Purchase Price to the Buyer: 11.1.1.1. less 10% if the Bitch is under the age of eight (8) years; or 11.1.1.2. less 50% if the Bitch is eight (8) years of age or more; or alternatively 11.1.2. replace the Goods with: 11.1.2.1. a frozen semen breeding unit(s) from the same Stud Dog provided that the said Stud Dog is alive and fertile and the cost of such Goods has not increased since Delivery. If the cost of such Goods has increased since Delivery then any such replacement will be subject to the Buyer paying the difference in value to the Seller;
itsa big fark u to the industry and authorities that for sure surely there must be a tipping point where people start looking elsewhere $9k you want to have a nice bitch
Jason Lovett Australia (Verified User) Posts 79 Dogs 5 / Races 0 19 Jun 2018 11:26
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As a breeder, I would love to use this dog. But Im not prepared to take out a personal loan to do It. He will have some beautifully bred sons at stud before too long,that will be my approach. If I had a straw in the bank, and was waiting for my bitch to come on, I would be sweating bullets she didnt miss. And another price rise in that time ! Are these t&cs common place with most studs?
Jackson Chaker Australia (Verified User) Posts 34 Dogs 0 / Races 0 19 Jun 2018 13:57
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Agree toby. I had choice to pick between Fernando and Barcia took Barcia
Jackson Chaker Australia (Verified User) Posts 34 Dogs 0 / Races 0 19 Jun 2018 13:59
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Agree toby
Shane Carter Australia (Verified User) Posts 4842 Dogs 15 / Races 0 21 Jun 2018 03:55
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There you go ....I bought a FS at the beginning of the year & didnt even look at the above conditions ...wow...,we recently used it & the broodiie would be just under 8 when the litter is born (touch wood) ..........cant imagine not only not getting a replacement FS but also getting 50% taxed on paid amount if she was 8....its a disgrace...., where else in racing would they get away with that ...in thoroughbreds, its a replacement cover or funds back minus admins costs ...
Cheers
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 21 Jun 2018 22:36
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Poco Dorado runs 34.17 @ first run over 600m at Dapto - record is 34.09.
CLICK HERE Most of the Fernando's racing are strong 500m dogs, don't think 600m will be an issue and later 700m as well for a percentage of them
Pretty awesome sire with pups effective from 400m to 700m
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 22 Jun 2018 05:45
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Shane Carter wrote:
There you go ....I bought a FS at the beginning of the year & didnt even look at the above conditions ...wow...,we recently used it & the broodiie would be just under 8 when the litter is born (touch wood) ..........cant imagine not only not getting a replacement FS but also getting 50% taxed on paid amount if she was 8....its a disgrace...., where else in racing would they get away with that ...in thoroughbreds, its a replacement cover or funds back minus admins costs ...
Cheers
some other T@Cs
IMPORTANT NOTICE TO BREEDERS Please Note: Fernando Bale has currently sold out all of his quota until 1 July 2018. All semen breeding units will only be available at his new stud fee which also includes the waiting list submitted from on line semen requests. Meticulous Lodge
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5957 Dogs 8 / Races 0 22 Jun 2018 06:12
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That's really interesting Sandro.
When I looked at Poco Dorado's pedigree you put up, I see Buddy Rich CLICK HERE is from this line.
Now if people want to look at the relationship between Buddy Rich's sire Hotshow Sam and Fernando's dam Chloe Allen CLICK HERE Chloe carries a niche that covers approx 88% of Sam's pedigree within 5 generations, and if you want to take it just a step further Awesome Assassin in Chloe's pedigree carries a niche that covers approx 88% of Highly Blessed in Sam's pedigree CLICK HERE (2 doses of Second Stage is included in the 7th generation of Awesome Assassin's pedigree and one dose of Second Stage in the 3rd generation of Highly Blessed), if you look at the table below the pedigree.
So in summary and getting back to Buddy Rich's sire Hotshow Sam, Fernando's dam Chloe Allen carries a niche that covers approx 97% of Sam's pedigree within 7 generations which is extremely high. It's becoming increasingly apparent that this type of intensity is evident in quite a few superior racers.
Unfortunately this replicating of sires thru different individuals that have been previously successful with a broodies damline, appears to be happening more by 'genetic chance' than calculated planning.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 22 Jun 2018 07:10
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Buddy Rich 11 x Temlee within 6 generations, a line breeders fantasy come true !
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