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Paschal Taggart
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Guys thanks for the information and suggestions..
Another question. Is it the same in Australia as is the position in Ireland and the UK where on course bookmakers are deserting the horse tracks in ever increasing numbers as the corporations are taking over. Why go racing when you can bet at home, in the pub or on your telephone. Mind you everyone still wants to go to the Melbourne Cup, I hope to attend in 2014.


Alexander Muchitsch
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On Course Bookmakers are a dying breed except for Metropolitan Thoroughbred Racing.
I'm going to assume you mean the Thoroughbred Melbourne Cup. Of course it is the biggest racing carnival in Australia. I did see an advertisement for last year's Cup where General Admission prices were $74 per ticket. 100,000 patrons paying that amount equates to $7.4 million dollars. Add the Marquee costs and other revenue streams and the meeting is basically funded by the attendees.


Paschal Taggart
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Yes the horse race plus a couple of visits to Sandown and Wentworth Park.


Mark Donohue
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29 Dec 2013 20:42


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Paschal Taggart wrote:

Guys thanks for the information and suggestions..
Another question. Is it the same in Australia as is the position in Ireland and the UK where on course bookmakers are deserting the horse tracks in ever increasing numbers as the corporations are taking over. Why go racing when you can bet at home, in the pub or on your telephone. Mind you everyone still wants to go to the Melbourne Cup, I hope to attend in 2014.

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Hi Paschal,

If you don't have great seats at the track to watch the thoroughbred Melbourne Cup then don't waste your money. You're better off watching it from your T.V. set as the marquee tents dominate the carnival.
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On the other hand, if you wanted to watch some fantastic greyhound racing live and enjoy the occasion then go to Melbourne for its carnival (around the same time as the Melbourne Cup) and see some classy and fast dogs run around their tracks. If you wanted to see some fast and classy dogs in Sydney (Wenty Park) come to our carnivals such as the Golden Easter Egg at Easter and you will definitely enjoy the experience and actually see the races. They have the big horse racing carnival on as well during the day. There are plenty of hosts in Australia who will show you a good time and could even set out an itinerary with you.
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$110 per person for Oaks Day two days after the Melbourne Cup and could only see heads bopping up and down from the two hundred metre mark on the finish line at/near ground level.
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All the best and have a great New Year.


Paschal Taggart
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Mark,
Thanks..what are the exact dates for the greyhound races. We certainly hope to make Sydney.
Best of luck in 2014 and plenty of winners. We have a very fast pup starting this Sunday in Clonmel. Droopys Odyssey. Keep an eye on him.
Paschal


Mark Donohue
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Hi Pascal,

I'll get back to you with some dates. All the best with `Droops', lol. Cheers, Mark.


Gavin Douglas Higgin
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glenn hatton wrote:

Gavin Douglas Higgin wrote:

What do the punters want to see in regards to city class meetings for fixed odds?

Ask yourself this Gavin. If you went to the track & the bookie wouldn't give you odds until 10 mins before the race, what would you think?

Fixed odds need to be up earlier at least for the sake of the owner/trainer who has to handle his/her dog.

Thanks Glenn....not many racetracks in Australia have a greyhound bookie on track that will put their market for all races up prior to the 1st race except for "old" doubles bookies and they are only a memory. Good luck asking any bookie for a market on any track other than Wentworth Park in NSW and good luck finding a bookie on many other TAB tracks (any track that has a bookie is doing well and should thank the management of that club). I hear what you are saying regarding owners and trainers wanting to have a bet but the most competitive market is always closer to jump time and it is always best to have your bet around that time (even Jeff would agree with that).

In regards to corporate bookies having their markets up before the 1st race you will find that they are very protective of 1st 3 dogs in the market and then their market adjusts when the TAB market goes up.

Like most things in this code they are not all ideal but perhaps with a new year some things might change for the better. I think the Paws of Thunder carnival will be great and looking forward to it.

Cheers,
Gavin




Mark Donohue
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Paschal Taggart wrote:

Mark,
Thanks..what are the exact dates for the greyhound races. We certainly hope to make Sydney.
Best of luck in 2014 and plenty of winners. We have a very fast pup starting this Sunday in Clonmel. Droopys Odyssey. Keep an eye on him.
Paschal

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Hi Pascal,

I can't find the dates as yet, but the Easter Egg has heats, semi-finals and final (one week at a time) with the final racing on Easter Saturday (according to last Easter Egg). I believe that it has occurred since its inception.
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It's a Group One Race worth $250,000 to the winner. Now, some of the best greyhounds are seeded into the semis and don't race in the heats.



Ryan Vanderwert
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Silver Chief betting currrently at 136% Vic TAB fixed.

If they cant take/hold a bet on this race, they shldn't be allowed to stand. They must be copping an absolute pelting lately.

Why let someone stand up like that if they don't want to hold a bet ?

Clearly their %'s indicate they don't.




Colin James Burns
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Gavin Douglas Higgin wrote:

glenn hatton wrote:

Gavin Douglas Higgin wrote:

What do the punters want to see in regards to city class meetings for fixed odds?

Ask yourself this Gavin. If you went to the track & the bookie wouldn't give you odds until 10 mins before the race, what would you think?

Fixed odds need to be up earlier at least for the sake of the owner/trainer who has to handle his/her dog.

Thanks Glenn....not many racetracks in Australia have a greyhound bookie on track that will put their market for all races up prior to the 1st race except for "old" doubles bookies and they are only a memory. Good luck asking any bookie for a market on any track other than Wentworth Park in NSW and good luck finding a bookie on many other TAB tracks (any track that has a bookie is doing well and should thank the management of that club). I hear what you are saying regarding owners and trainers wanting to have a bet but the most competitive market is always closer to jump time and it is always best to have your bet around that time (even Jeff would agree with that).

In regards to corporate bookies having their markets up before the 1st race you will find that they are very protective of 1st 3 dogs in the market and then their market adjusts when the TAB market goes up.

Like most things in this code they are not all ideal but perhaps with a new year some things might change for the better. I think the Paws of Thunder carnival will be great and looking forward to it.

Cheers,
Gavin

I must go to all the wrong tracks, all bookies have a market for all races before the first.



Gavin Douglas Higgin
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Colin James Burns wrote:

Gavin Douglas Higgin wrote:

glenn hatton wrote:

Gavin Douglas Higgin wrote:

What do the punters want to see in regards to city class meetings for fixed odds?

Ask yourself this Gavin. If you went to the track & the bookie wouldn't give you odds until 10 mins before the race, what would you think?

Fixed odds need to be up earlier at least for the sake of the owner/trainer who has to handle his/her dog.

Thanks Glenn....not many racetracks in Australia have a greyhound bookie on track that will put their market for all races up prior to the 1st race except for "old" doubles bookies and they are only a memory. Good luck asking any bookie for a market on any track other than Wentworth Park in NSW and good luck finding a bookie on many other TAB tracks (any track that has a bookie is doing well and should thank the management of that club). I hear what you are saying regarding owners and trainers wanting to have a bet but the most competitive market is always closer to jump time and it is always best to have your bet around that time (even Jeff would agree with that).

In regards to corporate bookies having their markets up before the 1st race you will find that they are very protective of 1st 3 dogs in the market and then their market adjusts when the TAB market goes up.

Like most things in this code they are not all ideal but perhaps with a new year some things might change for the better. I think the Paws of Thunder carnival will be great and looking forward to it.

Cheers,
Gavin

I must go to all the wrong tracks, all bookies have a market for all races before the first.

Name a single greyhound track in Australia that has a on course bookie with odds displayed for every race prior to the start of the meeting.


Jeff Holland
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I've never known it to happen, and Gavins statement earlier is spot on, you never see the real price bookies are willing to bet till that last 3 minutes, they dont give up their market till the death.

Fixed odds early is for sheep, you know something, or you realyy dont think the dog can win, and so dont chase the best odds. Its not a great product for most punters.




Glenn Hatton
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jeff holland wrote:

I've never known it to happen, and Gavins statement earlier is spot on, you never see the real price bookies are willing to bet till that last 3 minutes, they dont give up their market till the death.

Fixed odds early is for sheep, you know something, or you realyy dont think the dog can win, and so dont chase the best odds. Its not a great product for most punters.

Whatever it's faults, it should be there to give the owner/trainer a price before parading


Gavin Douglas Higgin
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05 Jan 2014 05:04


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glenn hatton wrote:

jeff holland wrote:

I've never known it to happen, and Gavins statement earlier is spot on, you never see the real price bookies are willing to bet till that last 3 minutes, they dont give up their market till the death.

Fixed odds early is for sheep, you know something, or you realyy dont think the dog can win, and so dont chase the best odds. Its not a great product for most punters.

Whatever it's faults, it should be there to give the owner/trainer a price before parading

Fair enough Glenn...if the demand is there then I am sure it will happen. Maybe time to put it to the test.



Jeff Holland
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Glenn, welcome to the world of business.

The motto of bookies used to be " you catch and kill your own", there is nothing free or fair in the business of wagering, with bookmakings other motto being 'its as close to pure capitalism as is possible '.

As with most capitalist endeavours, if a market has a profitable need it will get serviced, and on the major meetings you can bet with some of the corps that afternoon, but the percentage of 135% + is punative.

Thats just the way it is.



Ryan Vanderwert
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jeff holland wrote:

..............As with most capitalist endeavours, if a market has a profitable need it will get serviced, and on the major meetings you can bet with some of the corps that afternoon, but the percentage of 135% + is punative.

Thats just the way it is.

Jeff why is it that they are allowed to do that by opposition corporates ?

Clearly there is an advantage to be gained by another corporate offering say 120% if a major corporate is offering 135+ % ?



Glenn Hatton
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PT's & corporate bookies....put the advantage in the satchel swingers court. Have you noticed how big the crowds are at Coonamble? That's gotta tell you what the people really want when having a bet.



Jeff Holland
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Ryan Vanderwert wrote:

jeff holland wrote:

..............As with most capitalist endeavours, if a market has a profitable need it will get serviced, and on the major meetings you can bet with some of the corps that afternoon, but the percentage of 135% + is punative.

Thats just the way it is.

Jeff why is it that they are allowed to do that by opposition corporates ?

Clearly there is an advantage to be gained by another corporate offering say 120% if a major corporate is offering 135+ % ?

Ryan, why would anyone want money tied up that early?

Money invested on race 10 at 2.30pm, isnt available to be invested on any other race in between.

At the end, the bookies, TAB and GRNSW want everyone to lose their money, thats the desired outcome.



Gavin Douglas Higgin
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glenn hatton wrote:

PT's & corporate bookies....put the advantage in the satchel swingers court. Have you noticed how big the crowds are at Coonamble? That's gotta tell you what the people really want when having a bet.

Surely Glenn you know why PT's were introduced. It may seem that it is protecting the "satchel swingers" but in the end it protects the punter and they are the most important. Yes the crowds are big at Coonamble but do any of the bookies display their odds for every race prior to the start of the meeting. No. It is a great carnival with great betting spirit and we should do the best we can to ensure it stays that way but unfortunately it is only once a year.



Ryan Vanderwert
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jeff holland wrote:

Ryan Vanderwert wrote:

jeff holland wrote:

..............As with most capitalist endeavours, if a market has a profitable need it will get serviced, and on the major meetings you can bet with some of the corps that afternoon, but the percentage of 135% + is punative.

Thats just the way it is.

Jeff why is it that they are allowed to do that by opposition corporates ?

Clearly there is an advantage to be gained by another corporate offering say 120% if a major corporate is offering 135+ % ?

Ryan, why would anyone want money tied up that early?

Money invested on race 10 at 2.30pm, isnt available to be invested on any other race in between.

At the end, the bookies, TAB and GRNSW want everyone to lose their money, thats the desired outcome.

Jeff, that 136% wasn't at 2.30pm it was after race 4 at the Meadows for Race 8 - the Silver Chief.

Sure they want people to loose money but each enterprise(corporate, TAB), also want to beat their competition ie., other corporates, TAB, and privates on betfair, or at least they should otherwise what's the point of them existing ?

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