The mighty Temlee's mother (Temora Lee) was unraced.

As I explained - while I accept she was only "relaying the rules" - I left her / them in no doubt as to my position on the matter, and furthermore what I considered my / our "rights" to be.

Depending on the "outcome" of my "request" to them, I may elaborate further ... However, suffice to say for now that I made it very clear that "time was of the essence" (bitch is now on season, day 2), AND that I was perfectly happy to take the matter further if there was any attempt to restrict us breeding with the (now) brood in question. I have no intentions of letting "bureaucracy" be an impediment to our breeding aspirations.

What I found perhaps most interesting was that their "argument" sometimes varied according to the stance that best suits "their" position.

Ps: The bitch in question is 4 years of age, not previously been bred with, and a multiple City winner. If their "aims" are to (a) Seek to reduce euthanasia rates; and (b) improve the quality of resultant "stock" - using their OWN 'arguments' - wouldn't you think that this bitch "should" be not only be allowed to be bred with, but dare I say, we should be 'encouraged' to do so? (Nb, I hasten to add that it is my personal opinion that ANY registered Greyhound bitch should be permitted to be bred with; the only proviso being that they are considered to be in sound general and reproductive health).

PPS: I will add that I was told - and I quote - that "No Vet in Nsw would implant the bitch unless they confirm they have a current 'Pink' breeding card" .... Do others find it "intriguing" that the (Nsw) Authority thinks they have jurisdiction over Vets in their State?

We have all been made FOOLS OF BY THE PTB in all States and I believe no one has the right to just take away a right of any Member when it comes to breeding ..

I am only one voice but I know so many people are now being made to jump through hoops like a bloody clown in the circus ..

THIS IS OUR SPORT OUR LIVES ......
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ......WE NEED TO TAKE THIS ALL THE WAY .....
..STOP THE ROT ......SPEAK UP ....DEMAND OUR RIGHTS TO BE ADHERED TOO

What Rule Is Stopping You from breeding From This Bitch?

She's 'caught us off guard' by coming in season so promptly. Hence we hadn't moved down the path of getting her registered as a breeding female.

I haven't bred a (first time) Broodbitch since last year, so didn't understand the new rules in their entirety.

She's got a current c5 vaccination, and we're applying for a DNA kit. However I've been informed expected wait times currently for the DNA profile to be obtained and a certificate issued is approximately 4-5 weeks.

I'd "assumed" the DNA would need to be back before the bitch whelps and then the litter registered; NOT that the Breeding Card won't be issued until AFTER the DNA test was actioned.

Furthermore I was flabbergasted to learn that (according to GrNsw) that "No Nsw Vet would perform the implant without first verifying the bitch was a registered BREEDING female".

I was informed that all Vets doing frozen implants have been notified of the new regulations and will refuse to implant a bitch unless that Pink Card can be produced

A friend of mine from Qld, recently ran into the same issue recently.

The Vet in Qld informed him immediately of the requirements and the fines and implications for the practice, if they went ahead.

The Vet plainly and flatly refused to implant her unless he had the Pink Card.

He had to run around like a blue-A$se fly to get the paperwork done by the day she hit her levels.

He produced the Pink Card and she was served.

The Vets are merely following the procedures that are put in place.

The other implication, as Cyril explained, for the breeder, is that the State Authority may refuse to register the litter if the bitch was bred without the necessary paperwork in place.

A legal minefield, and a challenge (another one) waiting (begging) to happen.

If "we" continue to accept this bureaucratic cow-dung, then "we" become part of the problem.

I've tried (unsuccessfully) to find out what "our" so-called "representative" bodies are doing on this and similar subjects, but not only can I not find an answer, but it seems any queries along these lines are taboo!

I'll ask again; WHAT jurisdiction does the STATE AUTHORITY think they have over a Vet?

I understand the "possibility " (as ludicrous as it would be) that the Authority may attempt to refuse litter registrations ... but that is unlikely to hold legal weight.

And their vet practice would be registered as a "Approved Facility under the FSI"

So they have to abide by the rules

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A vet can perform the implant at their own peril, but why would they want to buy into the problems that come with it.

If they do choose to perform the service and the State Authority refuses to register the resultant litter, then there is a legal issue with the breeder.

Someone will eventually need to take responsibility for the pups not being registered.

It's far easier for them to refuse to implant the bitch, which is what they are doing.

I don't know what part you aren't understanding, get a Pink Card and you won't have a problem.

If a breeder's paperwork is lax and you don't have your bitch ready, then they will just have to wait till the bitch comes on the next time around.

You just need to be prepared, as Cyril again, has pointed out.

DNA has been nothing new and even if she had been racing and you knew you were to breed with her you could have had her DNA registered long before. Sorry but it's your issue and not the rules, no court in this country would rule in your favour.

If you can't get your DNA done and her registered and you have to wait for next season, to bad!
but don't come on here sooking that's it's GRNSW's fault. You have bred many litters and you should know the process.

It's not a BREEDER'S fault that the DNA "wait time" is longer than the period before she'll be due to be implanted.

By refusing to inseminate now has NOTHING to do with "welfare" (the purported reason for these new rules); but certainly everything to do with old fashioned, outdated methodology based on BUREAUCRACY and AUTHORITARIAN ATTITUDES.

Remind me again what the ROLE and FUNCTION of both GA and the State Authorities is SUPPOSED to be? And their CHARTER is?

Remind me again what the BENEFIT is in refusing to allow the bitch to be mated this season, if that's the wishes of her paying owners?

Remind me who compensates the Breeder / owner if the bitch is refused this time, but is unable to be bred in the future? (mortality, future infertility, change in financial capacity or circumstances for her owners? )

As I said, we're long overdue in seeing SOMEONE step up and challenge this antiquated, Stalinist approach. I'm not going to roll over, but it appears as if some others must be happy to cop the bulldust being served up to us.

It's about time we thought about who SUPPLIES the product, and who benefits from OUR efforts as breeders. Simple fact is no breeders or breeding, means NO INDUSTRY.

Breeding is down around 35-40%, yet we're seemingly ok with these pencil pushing bureaucrats putting MORE (unnecessary) barriers in place?

Until recently (now) it was common for Breeders to do DNA testing at the same time as mating; in fact I know of cases where DNA results are still pending when pups are born... certainly NOT BEFORE INSEMINATION! (ie, it's required to REGISTER THE LITTER ...which MAKES SENSE and is the way things SHOULD BE).

If you can't understand what's wrong with this scenario, then God help us. No wonder we're heading into obscurity if we've lost the will to STAND UP, BE COUNTED, and FIGHT BACK.

You guys are missing the point. I'm not "sooking"; what I'm actually trying to do is get some common sense rules and procedures that benefit ALL BREEDERS.

But you're right, I'm an experienced breeder ... shouldn't we be ENCOURAGING ALL RESPONSIBLE BREEDERS to continue to support THE INDUSTRY?

The right to do whatever you want whenever it suits you.

You can get a bitch's DNA processed anytime.

The reason that breeding is down because there is uncertainty over the future of the industry among other things such as the financial position of the industry in NSW.

These breeding rules have been in train well before the 4 Corners show.

We all have had plenty of time to get used to them.

The only issue I have with them is the inconsistent interpretations placed on breeding with bitches over 8 years old or have had 3 litters.

It seems ok that a bitch can throw 60% winners at Broken Hill and pass the rule with flying colours for a 4th litter, but if 59% of her pups named win at Wentworth Park then she could be ruled to be a failure.

I'm fighting AGAINST policy which THEY tried to justify to me today as being a response to alleged "welfare concerns".

Answer me this: Is there ANY possible impediment to the bitch in question (4yo, 3-times City winner, in excellent general health) "eventually " being registered? Or that could lead to her not being allowed to be bred with?

What are these "new requirements" really setting out to achieve? Is there a rationale in this case I've missed, or is it just "them's the rules, so suck on them apples"?

And if you want to go down the path of "we've all had time to know the rules", WHY is it that different States STILL CONTINUE TO APPLY THESE RULES DIFFERENTLY IN SOME INSTANCES?

Since you've referred to Cyril's reply more than once, I note he'd raised that in his example that he found the State Authority / staff he'd dealt with had "gone out of their way to try to help". Where pray tell does one find that helpful person / people? Is that everyone's uniform experience in their dealings with ALL registration / breeding Staff in EACH State Authority? (Me thinks not).