Because it's a theory and all aspects of the theory have to be logical(to me anyway).

So when you say:

Graeme Beasley wrote:

......... I'm talking about a bitch with a (very) fast littermate/s or dam........... .........A litter comes from the genes of both parents so why do we ALL have speed as our number one priority for a sire, yet some of us don't hold the dam to at least a similar standard? It beggars belief.

That means that it's possible to breed from a legless dog and a legless bitch so long as they both come from a 'very fast dam'. This mating in turn wld therefore qualify as a 'best to the best' mating, under the above definition.

I don't know about anyone else but to me the logic of this theory is therefore flawed. If you have any success from breeding using the above version of 'best to the best', you were plain lucky, or it was successful for another reason other than 'best to the best'.

You were talking about the poor house before, an illogical theory such as this one will get you there. It wasn't long ago that someone bought the best bloodlines in Vic......all were watching, and bred next to nothing.

Each to their own I suppose.

Don't judge others by your own low standards. I've always taken full responsibility for poor sire choices. Funnily enough you had no luck with your Bekim Bale litter either. I hope you aren't going to take credit for George Zammit's success with the Barcia Bale are you?
Besides the line we tapped into is still ticking along with a multiple group winner evolving from it, complete credit to Kevin for doing so.

Why are you so intimidated by facts?

Why do you always get 3 likes immediately after posting a comment?

They are rhetorical questions, we already know the answer to both, no need to reply. Lol

Yeah it's possible to breed a fast dog from legless parents but what are the chances? The further you get from speed the less chance you'll have. That's what it's all about, increasing your chance of getting good pups. Can you give me the name of even one fast dog that had two legless parents? Point proven.

Then you say:

"It wasn't long ago that someone bought the best bloodlines in Vic......all were watching, and bred next to nothing"

Yes, the best bloodlines, not the fastest dogs. Point proven x2.

the chances shld be the same because it falls under the BTB definition you yourself gave

your so called proven point, can you not remember they were a regular here?

PS. What's not logical is that some bitch 5 generations back can have more influence on current pups than its parents. It's not possible because the only dogs it gets its genes (traits) from are its parents.

PPS. Yes I think I know who you're talking about and yes she bought into pups from nice looking pedigrees. What she didn't buy into was fast bitches, AFAIK.

Dam Two litters one to Bjorn one to Amerigo Magic
So Rapid Journey 18.8% pedigree inside or outside the square
IMO both litters pedigree are in the square But Amerigo Magic Unorthodox breeding?
Both litters 18.8% ?!

Mentioned Rapid Journey earlier. He has that big Pitstock Park / Zulu Moss. In the likes of Farmer Wilson and again non-commercial mating Chicago Blue.

IMO, the difference between the Amerigo Magic and Bjorn matings were subtlety of pedigree. By that I mean, far more ingredients at work in the Amerigo Magic mating.

Thats where Greyhound-Data is such a great tool...an absolute encyclopaedia of knowledge to learn from and hopefully help you build your own knowledge bank to breed or purchase good dogs.

When I asked you to describe this new phenomenon called "breeding outside the square" and I suggested it was just Commercial or Non-commercial, you said this.

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Hi Michael,

If I can address the part that relates to me. I'm just wondering whether you may be interpreting what I've stated incorrectly as that sounds excessive.

Rather than go through a large no of dogs pedigrees which takes much time I wonder if you can give your interpretation of what you think I mean by a min 88% linebreeding intensity through different individuals say using Sir Truculent https:/ CLICK HERE as an example as his pedigree is an obvious one. If you don't mind that is. Cheers.

https:/ CLICK HERE
This very good race Bitch.
Line bred to Brett Lee 18.8%
Six straight Temlee sireline strains directly over damline
7th Generation Darviille Flyer 8th Generation Tivoli Chief ( bottom of pedigree)

Yeah, really good explanation and totally understand the point you were making so no offence taken. I'm not having a crack at you either m8 I welcome people to question anything and everything I may say about pedigrees, just wanting to make sure we're talking about the same thing and avoid any mis-interpretations.

So with the Sir Truculent example there's an undisputed champion that line has given up in Osti's Joker. So if you had a bitch from that line you wld be trying to recreate Osti's Joker's sire Gallant Ruler and Worm Burner's dam Little Looper does that https:/ CLICK HERE .

Obviously New Tears covers 50% of Gallant Ruler's pedigree in the 5th generation i.e.8 of the 16 lines. If you look at the blood quota table below you'll also see Chief Dingann pedigree, Dynamic Dean, Darville Lee and Tivoli Chief also being cross duplicated so that's another 5 lines taking the total to 13 of the 16 lines (81%) being covered in the 5th generation of Gallant Rulers pedigree.

Now for the remaining 3 lines Eddy Barry, National Lady & Leona Jet, their sires Monalee Champion, Chief Zephyr and Mister Moss respectively, are also cross duplicated through different individuals if you look at the 12 generation pedigree https:/ CLICK HERE . So that's another half a line each that are covered and in total 14.5 of the 16 lines in Gallant Rulers pedigree cross duplicated - approx 91%

IOW Sir Truculent's sires dam Little Looper reintroduces approximately 91% of Gallant Rulers pedigree within 5 generations, through these different individuals she also carries in her pedigree, back to the same damline. The result is Sir Truculent.

Can I take it so far as to say, if you linebreed a sire(in this case Gallant Ruler), that produced a champion stayer in Osti's Joker..........if that New Tears, Chief Dingaan, Dynamic Dean, Darville Lee, Tivoli Chief, Monalee Champion, Chief Zephyr and Mister Moss niche clicked, you would in turn expect to see a staying type (in this case Sir Truculent) as a result ?