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David Mennie Australia (Verified User) Posts 657 Dogs 5 / Races 1 16 Dec 2020 23:49
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Hi im curious and would like to hear about bitches that never came on season etc ..
i have a bitch im keen to breed from but she is 3 years old now and never came on and never been supresssed to my knowledge ?
Is this a common occurence ? im mildly concerened she may never come on ?
Also like to hear about tricks to help come on season .
I remeber visiting a breeding establishment and i asked why was this big hairy looking wolf hound type in with the greyhounds ..they said he helps the bitches come on
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 17 Dec 2020 00:04
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Putting her with another bitch who is on season. I've heard back manipulation can trigger it to. A blood test might show something, I think a thyroid deficiency can stop them breaking out. Set her for a race and they come on at the wrong time. War Story - I remember sitting outside the Gold Coast track before the Futurity Final, our bitch had just come on season that day. Icing our bitches fanny, trying to get the swelling down. Dabbing her down with a sleeve, just before putting her across the board.
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 17 Dec 2020 00:22
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Paul Dicks wrote:
Putting her with another bitch who is on season. I've heard back manipulation can trigger it to. A blood test might show something, I think a thyroid deficiency can stop them breaking out
Other than thyroid deficiency I'm starting to think a lot of the theories are wives tales.
Having a similar problem with a broodie. Was never on any suppressants but took until 3 and 9 months to come on season (had 10 pups at 3 and 11 months). Then was back on season at 4 and 2 months (didn't mate her). Then back on season at 4 and 1/2 (had 5 pups at 4 and 8 months) Then was back on season 4 and 11 months (didn't mate her) Is 5 and 9 months now and hasn't looked like coming on again
Some bitches as much as they're meant to follow a 6, 9 or 12 month cycle just have zero patterns. Unless she has a thyroid deficiency (1st sign is usually bald back legs) let nature take it's course, she'll come on season when her body is ready
David Mennie Australia (Verified User) Posts 657 Dogs 5 / Races 1 17 Dec 2020 00:34
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How did she go lol ?
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 17 Dec 2020 00:34
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I know of a broodie my mate got free from victoria at almost 6yo because she hadn't ever come on season, come on season on the courier on route to NSW. Had her 1st litter about 3 days shy of 6yo, her 2nd litter at 7yo (produced a stud dog), 3rd litter at 8, 4th litter at 9.
Took until almost 6yo to have a season then could almost time her seasons 12 months to the day
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 17 Dec 2020 00:38
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Matt James wrote:
I know of a broodie my mate got free from victoria at almost 6yo because she hadn't ever come on season, come on season on the courier on route to NSW. Had her 1st litter about 3 days shy of 6yo, her 2nd litter at 7yo (produced a stud dog), 3rd litter at 8, 4th litter at 9.
Took until almost 6yo to have a season then could almost time her seasons 12 months to the day
True, a change of environment or kennels can do it too. Stating the obvious, but a change in seasons can trigger tham.
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 17 Dec 2020 00:43
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David Mennie wrote:
How did she go lol ?
I didn't keep a calendar lol. Just know when she had the litters and she come on season almost to the day when her pups were 13 weeks old
1st litter has some ability (was one freak but was I'll fated). 2nd litter look like being quicker but are mepunga blazers so don't shut up :) Still anxious for her to have a 3rd litter, can you tell? lol
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 17 Dec 2020 01:08
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Matt James wrote:
David Mennie wrote:
How did she go lol ?
I didn't keep a calendar lol. Just know when she had the litters and she come on season almost to the day when her pups were 13 weeks old
1st litter has some ability (was one freak but was I'll fated). 2nd litter look like being quicker but are mepunga blazers so don't shut up :) Still anxious for her to have a 3rd litter, can you tell? lol
I think he was asking how the on season bitch went in my "War Story"
She won in 25.55 Race Record time. Apparently they can really fly just as they come on season.
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 17 Dec 2020 01:40
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Paul Dicks wrote:
I think he was asking how the on season bitch went in my "War Story"
She won in 25.55 Race Record time. Apparently they can really fly just as they come on season.
Yeah that makes more sense :)
The sad thing is you still see people in the wash bay hosing down bitches before kennelling
Carole Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 32355 Dogs 185 / Races 2 17 Dec 2020 01:44
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David, my husband has brought in approximately 200 bitches over the years using the lower back manipulation. It really does work, but there are the odd ones that don't respond. If you want to PM me your phone number, I can ring you later and give you some details.A couple of interstate owners got the manipulation done too and their bitches came in and had pups. One hadn't ever had a season at 6 years of age and another hadn't had one for 4 years. If you type in --Brood bitches not coming into season. in the search box, I think you would be very interested to read the posts there.
David Mennie Australia (Verified User) Posts 657 Dogs 5 / Races 1 17 Dec 2020 02:03
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woow unusual ..ill take the stud dog lol
David Mennie Australia (Verified User) Posts 657 Dogs 5 / Races 1 17 Dec 2020 02:04
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woow great story congats
David Mennie Australia (Verified User) Posts 657 Dogs 5 / Races 1 17 Dec 2020 02:05
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thank you carol i will pass this onto my trainer whelper
Carole Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 32355 Dogs 185 / Races 2 17 Dec 2020 02:08
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David, don't forget to PM me your phone number.
Sam Watson Australia (Verified User) Posts 315 Dogs 0 / Races 0 17 Dec 2020 10:09
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100% recommend carole's husband.
He has brought on 3 of my bitches within a month. Had 1 girl that i bought, they couldnt get her on for 2 years. Got her back done and 3 weeks later bam. Then 9 months later
Carole Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 32355 Dogs 185 / Races 2 17 Dec 2020 10:48
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Thank you, Sam. Great to know that you had success. I will let Graham know. It usually does start the bitch's seasonal cycle normalising after the initial success. Good luck with the pups !
David Mennie Australia (Verified User) Posts 657 Dogs 5 / Races 1 18 Dec 2020 07:32
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atm she is still racing but i read all that thread on the other post ..very interesting ...i mean how could it hurt to try it ..maybe she will come on naturally anyway ...but if she hasnt by the time shes finished racing ..will be in touch ..bitch is located in wagga atm..where are you located ?
Carole Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 32355 Dogs 185 / Races 2 18 Dec 2020 08:24
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David, we are just near Pakenham in VIctoria, but when the time comes, I can let you know a couple of details for you to get it done in NSW, if you like. Good luck.
Jason Caley Australia (Verified User) Posts 385 Dogs 6 / Races 0 18 Dec 2020 08:33
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Matt James wrote:
Paul Dicks wrote:
Putting her with another bitch who is on season. I've heard back manipulation can trigger it to. A blood test might show something, I think a thyroid deficiency can stop them breaking out
Other than thyroid deficiency I'm starting to think a lot of the theories are wives tales.
Having a similar problem with a broodie. Was never on any suppressants but took until 3 and 9 months to come on season (had 10 pups at 3 and 11 months). Then was back on season at 4 and 2 months (didn't mate her). Then back on season at 4 and 1/2 (had 5 pups at 4 and 8 months) Then was back on season 4 and 11 months (didn't mate her) Is 5 and 9 months now and hasn't looked like coming on again
Some bitches as much as they're meant to follow a 6, 9 or 12 month cycle just have zero patterns. Unless she has a thyroid deficiency (1st sign is usually bald back legs) let nature take it's course, she'll come on season when her body is ready
Mostly agree with this - when it's their time they'll come in. And the last thing I want is any of mine coming in. But having said that - here's some things that have assisted others -
1. A bedding or kennel mat from a bitch in season. You don't need to have a bitch in season. Her used bedding will work just as well if she is competitive for breeding rights she'll respond.
2. Excess amounts of vitamin E in her food. Note that Vitamin E is a fat soluable substance so by excess I mean more than on-label amounts not excess to the point of toxicity. It works better when she is given the yard to get lots of natural sunlight. When the conditions are right (sunshine) she'll be right (as in more amenable to breeding)
3. Zinc tablets - it isn't just a male fertility mineral regardless of what Chemist Warehouse advertisements would have you believe.
David Mennie Australia (Verified User) Posts 657 Dogs 5 / Races 1 20 Dec 2020 07:33
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time has arrived sooner rather than later carol
bitch broke her hock catching the lure last night at young ..she will be operated on early this week ...yes i will be interested in her having this treatment by a competent person ...i will be in touch nin the next fortnight ty Carole
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