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Brad Napper Australia (Verified User) Posts 937 Dogs 1 / Races 2 07 Jun 2021 08:04
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Hello, I appoligise if there is a topic already on this but when does breeding back to a common female or females go to far?
I have noticed recently the very sucessful doubling of gold rush bale and elusive rebel in multiple group dogs, eg Stanley road
https:/ CLICK HERE when does this become to much? say could you breed back 3 times to gold rush bale?
Thanks for your opinions
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19486 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 07 Jun 2021 10:10
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These are about 4 weeks old
https:/ CLICK HERE Dam has a fair bit out of outcross via Sonic Flight and Gable La Fourche and an Irish tail line
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 07 Jun 2021 18:42
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In near future n Good clients of mine are planning on this double 18.8% blood of GWT, Princess Bale Graham open minded with 18.8% but this pedigree grabs me. I reckon Jack O will also love this pedigree
Brad. Too much IMO is when the blood quota is too high % I see Stanley Road and Sandros pups are 18.8% Gold Rush Bale
Raymond Peter Fewings Australia (Verified User) Posts 248 Dogs 0 / Races 0 07 Jun 2021 21:27
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SA champion Coorong Lucy has Little Looper up close on both sides. Both sire WorM Burner and dam Molly be Nimble are out of Little Looper. Rest of litter unremarkable.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19486 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 07 Jun 2021 22:36
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Graham Moscow wrote:
In near future n Good clients of mine are planning on this double 18.8% blood of GWT, Princess Bale Graham open minded with 18.8% but this pedigree grabs me. I reckon Jack O will also love this pedigree
Brad. Too much IMO is when the blood quota is too high % I see Stanley Road and Sandros pups are 18.8% Gold Rush Bale
IMHO, I think if you are going to go with that hard linebreeding you need to bring in suitable outcross blood to expand the pedigree a bit
Stanley Road also carrying two lines of outcross via Sonic Flight and Spiral Nikita
The named pups on Greyhound-Data from the litter all seem to have their fair share of ability over varying distances with Stanley Road being the stand out
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5956 Dogs 8 / Races 0 07 Jun 2021 22:52
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Raymond superstar racer Proven Wizard(by Awesome Assassin) was from that line.
If you look at the niche or extremly close relationship between AA and Worm Burners sires dam Leprechaun Pace https:/ CLICK HERE , Leprechaun Pace is reintroducing an extremely high percentage(88%) of AA through different individuals back into the same damline.
Leprechaun Pace did the dame thing with Loopers damline to produce Worm Burner.
If the niche clicks it produces quality with that particular damline, if it doesn't......
Jakota Rohde Australia (Verified User) Posts 163 Dogs 1 / Races 0 08 Jun 2021 02:24
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We speak a lot Graham, so I am interested in your opinion on the double up to Go Wild Teddy. I personally have heard doubling up on he within the first 3-4 generations, most of the time the progeny are very very hard to handle and over the top. I know it has worked with some good dogs running around with that cross, but Im wondering if the bad, really outweighs the good in this situation.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 08 Jun 2021 06:31
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A lot of breeders said the same about Head Honcho !!!!
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19486 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 08 Jun 2021 08:05
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Mark Staines wrote:
A lot of breeders said the same about Head Honcho !!!!
Also line breeding Head Honcho did very well when breeding with bitches with outcross blood
As did Go Wild Teddy himself
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 08 Jun 2021 08:36
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Jakota Rohde wrote:
We speak a lot Graham, so I am interested in your opinion on the double up to Go Wild Teddy. I personally have heard doubling up on he within the first 3-4 generations, most of the time the progeny are very very hard to handle and over the top. I know it has worked with some good dogs running around with that cross, but Im wondering if the bad, really outweighs the good in this situation.
Hi Jak 2x4 GWT I think in this pedigree is good, Barcia throws mainly good temperament race dogs. His litter sister I assume will do the same because PAW wont breed with fruit loop bitches, but I dont really know for certain 100% I think this pedigree line bred to GWT / Princess Bale with USA outcross sire line on top is real good. Plus Sandman sire strains Spiral Nikita, Farloe Melody, Grove Whisper will add to the vigor factor. Barcia 3rd & 4th gen on damline is out cross sires mentioned Sandman strains. IMO there is plenty of outcross to bolster heavy line breeding of GWT & Princess Bale
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 08 Jun 2021 08:46
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
Mark Staines wrote:
A lot of breeders said the same about Head Honcho !!!!
Also line breeding Head Honcho did very well when breeding with bitches with outcross blood
As did Go Wild Teddy himself
Not surprising considering HH was 37.5 % Temlee and 18.8% Tara Silk !!!
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19486 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 08 Jun 2021 11:39
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Mark Staines wrote:
Sandro Bechini wrote:
Mark Staines wrote:
A lot of breeders said the same about Head Honcho !!!!
Also line breeding Head Honcho did very well when breeding with bitches with outcross blood
As did Go Wild Teddy himself
Not surprising considering HH was 37.5 % Temlee and 18.8% Tara Silk !!!
Exactly Mark and his results s and those of GWT showed that
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 08 Jun 2021 19:25
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Graham Moscow wrote:
Jakota Rohde wrote:
We speak a lot Graham, so I am interested in your opinion on the double up to Go Wild Teddy. I personally have heard doubling up on he within the first 3-4 generations, most of the time the progeny are very very hard to handle and over the top. I know it has worked with some good dogs running around with that cross, but Im wondering if the bad, really outweighs the good in this situation.
Hi Jak 2x4 GWT I think in this pedigree is good, Barcia throws mainly good temperament race dogs. His litter sister I assume will do the same because PAW wont breed with fruit loop bitches, but I dont really know for certain 100% I think this pedigree line bred to GWT / Princess Bale with USA outcross sire line on top is real good. Plus Sandman sire strains Spiral Nikita, Farloe Melody, Grove Whisper will add to the vigor factor. Barcia 3rd & 4th gen on damline is out cross sires mentioned Sandman strains. IMO there is plenty of outcross to bolster heavy line breeding of GWT & Princess Bale
I forgot to mention DDO Damline Bomb Threat USA & Curryhill Brute adding more outcross. Orson X DDO bitch is serious consideration for breeders IMO For example a hypothetical
Jack Ogilvie Australia (Verified User) Posts 15477 Dogs 0 / Races 1 09 Jun 2021 10:57
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Mate that gold rush bale 18.8% will be dynamite for any one who wants a future foundation brood bitch.wished I was a lot younger..They will go very quick.
Rob Horne Australia (Verified User) Posts 522 Dogs 1 / Races 3 09 Jun 2021 20:00
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Jack Ogilvie wrote:
Mate that gold rush bale 18.8% will be dynamite for any one who wants a future foundation brood bitch.wished I was a lot younger..They will go very quick.
My thoughts exactly Jack, which is why I did this;
Jack Ogilvie Australia (Verified User) Posts 15477 Dogs 0 / Races 1 10 Jun 2021 04:39
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Yes love it chase ,chase and chase Gwt through the sire and a bitch. I really like OA , Like his breeding. IMHO breeders need to look at sires that have out cross blood. And sire that will provide chase. A lot of breeders go to a commercial sire , and have far to much red print ,instead of getting that out cross blood in their lines. Cheers jack
Jack Ogilvie Australia (Verified User) Posts 15477 Dogs 0 / Races 1 10 Jun 2021 08:07
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Rob your click here is not working.
Michael Worth Australia (Verified User) Posts 875 Dogs 2 / Races 0 11 Jun 2021 20:17
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It worked when I hit it jack showing OA x Minnesota nice. Cheers
Mark William Claxton Australia (Verified User) Posts 958 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Jun 2021 08:54
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4th remove is too far back to be a major influence. Further back the more diluted.
Mark William Claxton Australia (Verified User) Posts 958 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Jun 2021 08:57
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Nice cross Graham. 18.8% is ok but 25% is the ideal from what my studies over the years have showed me.
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
