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Do you have questions about breeding theories?
Or do you need tips on how to rear your pups?

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Mark Staines
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Again another result of Best x Best !!!!

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Graham Moscow
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Mark Staines wrote:

Again another result of Best x Best !!!!

https:/ CLICK HERE


And again Tesio principle applies. Head Honcho, Ginger, Nation Parade all three Temlee Sire Strains directly over damline
Many Tricks x Token Prince Waverley Supreme ( Irish ) out cross sire line
Result was Malfoy.


Mark William Claxton
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He started predominantly outcrossing as his line was 'saturated' with temlee & he was getting alot more "good" dogs than bitches. He was quoted as saying, "if I kept going the same way I would have bred myself out of business".


Mark William Claxton
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Ah yes, but a double cross of temlee on the 3rd remove at 31.3%! I rest my case.



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Double cross of Nation Parade on 3rd remove at 18.8%.


Mark William Claxton
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Ryan i can't access my records at the moment sorry as I work 3 weeks on (mine site) & 1 week off. Check it out on my week off.


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It is the 1st time I have heard of Tesio Graham, but as he says ALOT breed from the best to the best and "hope for the best". I could not agree more. I stumbled across what he calls the Tesio theory, "many" years ago just by studying the old stud books to start with.



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Graham Moscow wrote:

Mark Staines wrote:

Again another result of Best x Best !!!!

https:/ CLICK HERE


And again Tesio principle applies. Head Honcho, Ginger, Nation Parade all three Temlee Sire Strains directly over damline
Many Tricks x Token Prince Waverley Supreme ( Irish ) out cross sire line
Result was Malfoy.

https:/ CLICK HERE 2x4 Promises Free / No common dam


Mark William Claxton
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What has to be remembered Graham is that some bitches will throw good dogs to near on any sire. But they are in a minority.
(They are what I call extremely potent)


Mark William Claxton
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Breeding theories are very interesting BUT if the pups aren't reared "right" is all null in void imho. No surprise that the Wheelers & Hallihan establishments are producing group dogs over & over. Reg Kay once told me, he didn't consider himself a good trainer but in the side rearing he did.


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mark william claxton wrote:

Ah yes, but a double cross of temlee on the 3rd remove at 31.3%! I rest my case.

Your doctrine of you have to outcross too strengthen your line was blown out of the water by the examples i put up.

"Back to the white Board Professor"


Mark Staines
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Graham Moscow wrote:

Mark Staines wrote:

Again another result of Best x Best !!!!

https:/ CLICK HERE


And again Tesio principle applies. Head Honcho, Ginger, Nation Parade all three Temlee Sire Strains directly over damline
Many Tricks x Token Prince Waverley Supreme ( Irish ) out cross sire line
Result was Malfoy.

Breeders were line breeding well before Tesio became famous !!!!
Especially Australian Greyhound Breeders, when PAW first started using USA sires most American Breeder's wouldn't breed closer than a 5 x 5 duplication.


Mark William Claxton
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NO, that is NOT what i mean "Jack". What i mean is that you have to gain speed in say a short course line to be generally successful if put to a stayer.If you have staying line obviously you be looking for speed that way. For example if you put a 500m bitch to 700m dog you are generally breeding stamina. Is why Pringle predominantly put a 500m-700m bitch to a speed sire. Never saw him breed out of a short course bitch.As you 'might' get, there are ALOT of variables associated with breeding. That is why I use the term "predominantly". Back to the white board student!


Mark Staines
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What a load of poppycock DUD !!!




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mark william claxton wrote:

Ryan i can't access my records at the moment sorry as I work 3 weeks on (mine site) & 1 week off. Check it out on my week off.

Thx Mark. Appreciate it.
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what's with the name calling Stainesy, surely you can understand what he's saying ?
why can't we respect everyones opinion?


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Mark Staines wrote:

Graham Moscow wrote:

Mark Staines wrote:

Again another result of Best x Best !!!!

https:/ CLICK HERE


And again Tesio principle applies. Head Honcho, Ginger, Nation Parade all three Temlee Sire Strains directly over damline
Many Tricks x Token Prince Waverley Supreme ( Irish ) out cross sire line
Result was Malfoy.

Breeders were line breeding well before Tesio became famous !!!!
Especially Australian Greyhound Breeders, when PAW first started using USA sires most American Breeder's wouldn't breed closer than a 5 x 5 duplication.

How do you work that out Mark?
Federico Tesio was born in 1869.....



Mark Staines
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Greyhounds were on the first fleet in 1788 thats how !!!


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:-)



Graham Moscow
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Mark Staines wrote:

Graham Moscow wrote:

Mark Staines wrote:

Again another result of Best x Best !!!!

https:/ CLICK HERE


And again Tesio principle applies. Head Honcho, Ginger, Nation Parade all three Temlee Sire Strains directly over damline
Many Tricks x Token Prince Waverley Supreme ( Irish ) out cross sire line
Result was Malfoy.

PAW used this USA sire in the 90s common dams Breda, Hurry Bones
No major breeding sucess, threw a couple of dams for PAW

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David Brasch
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It is very interesting that Paul Wheeler and his late, great dad Allan are always looked upon as the gurus of breeding in this country and I for one agree.
But, it is always believed Paul, in particular, is the standard for outcrossing when this is hardly the case and very often so.

Let's start with the foundation bitch of the Wheeler empire GAIL'S BEAUTY
This is her pedigree

https:/ CLICK HERE
The first thing you will notice is that she is line bred to the half relations Top Linen and Tassin both out of the famous broodbitch Brenda Gay. But, she was also beautifully balanced to Chief Havoc via two daughters and a son.

Almost all of the Gail's Beauty damline stems from her daughter the very fine stayer Dynabolt. This is her pedigree.

https:/ CLICK HERE
Yes, she is a daughter of the import Proper Streak.
What would the Wheeler family need to do with Dynabolt when mating her ... bring back more of the Brenda Gay family.
So they put Dynabolt to The Smoother who carries a cross of Top Linen in his damline. It introduced a 2x2 cross of Smooth Rapid and Gail's Beauty both of who are bred on the same Top Linen/Rocket Jet cross but balanced. In Smooth Rapid, Top Linen and Rocket Jet come via DAUGHTERS. In Gail's beauty they come via SONS.
The result of mating of The Smoother-Dynabolt was EMILINE BALE a Group 1 performer.

This is her pedigree.

https:/ CLICK HERE
So, when it came to mating Emiline Bale, the Wheelers (Allan in those days) was naturally drawn to the greatness of Temlee. The litter of Temlee-Emiline Bale produced the Wheeler family's very first GREAT champion in twice NSW GOTY the sprint star WINIFRED BALE (a member of the Aust hall of fame), but also her brother Billy Bale, but also the grand Gwendalyn Bale and Indiana Bale ... all Group stars.

This is the pedigree of Winifred Bale.

https:/ CLICK HERE
What must stand out is the fact Temlee is in-bred to Top Linen and his sister Brenda's Daughter. AND, what we already know is that Emiline Bale is HUGELY in-bred to the very same family, as is her mother and her 3rd mother.

If this is not a fabulous example of "BREEDING TO COMMON FEMALES", then what is?

OH, and by the way. If we look at the pedigree of Mepunga Blazer, the Alb Pk TR breaker and G1 winner ... his direct damline traces to a bitch called Mystic Therase who just happens to be by Indiana Bale.
Mepunga Blazer's 4th dam Mepunga Silk is in-bred 2x2 to Osti's Magic and Indiana Bale who are a fabulous balance for each other. They are both bred on the cross of The Smoother/Temlee ... but in reverse.
If we look closely at the pedigree of Mepunga Blazer (Barcia Bale-Mepunga Nicky) ...

https:/ CLICK HERE
You will see his sire Barcia Bale carries a cross of Lansley Bale in his damline. Trace the direct damline of Lansley Bale and we come across none other than WINIFRED BALE ... positioned to impact with her half brother Indiana Bale in Blazer's direct damline.

If this is not a fabulous example of "BREEDING TO COMMON FEMALES", then what is?

To go even further, Mepunga Blazer's best progeny to date includes Shima Classic whose mother is by Dyna Tron (who carries Lansley Bale in his damline) to again reinforce the same common females in Blazer's own pedigree.

This is the pedigree of SHIMA CLASSIC.

https:/ CLICK HERE



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