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Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 01 Sep 2021 21:39
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Darren Leeson wrote:
Not many litters on the ground, let alone racing and hes produced two absolute top class dogs in Sentenced and Indictment.
IMO, hes really benefiting from the double outcross in him, which is really letting pedigrees breath.
Nothing worse than a suffocating pedigree. Breath damn you breath.
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 03 Sep 2021 08:16
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If these Breeding Gurus were are clever as they think they are. They would have told us Jury is going to be quality sire before he proved himself. Rather than jumping on the bandwagon with the wisdom of hindsight.
Now to confuse the issue, I have to worry about my pedigree being short of breath. Last thing I want is to choose a sire that makes my pedigree Asthmatic.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 04 Sep 2021 23:58
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P.s I wonder whether David still holds the same opinion today, when he claimed sires were failures with an outcross dam sire? Worth Doing was the big debated one in the topic at the time!
The importance of outcross cant be overstated! Its a massive reason why I tried to purchase Nicki Fields before she ever won in town! The Tangairn dam line with the embedded outcross. Just as another brood I did manage to get hold of....
I posted this in another topic, but its very relevant to Jury, with the double outcross in his dam.
In no way am I trying to have a cheap shot at you David Brasch, but we all had a good debate about the above topic and would be interested if you still held the belief of a sire with an outcross dam sire is a flop at stud?
We have Zambora Brockie with the failed stud Flying Stanley as his dam sire. Probably a big reason no one touched him at the start of his stud career. Along with him being by Nitro Burst...but, ZB is now considered a success. And we have Jury, by just a sire in Cosmic Chief, over a failed stud dog in College Causeway (Ire), over a failed stud dog in Flying Stanley (USA), starting off great at stud. To go with the previous Worth Doing, with champion sire Waverly Supreme as his dam sire, Magic Sprite, with champion sire Spiral Nikita as his dam sire. Roanokee with leading sire Grove Whisper as his dam sire.
I learnt with my own bitch MLadys Fool the success you can have by letting a pedigree breathe, using the full outcross Droopys Maldini (Droopys Fool). Tried to get Gable Dodge (USA) for her as well, but the stud master wouldnt send any to Australia at the time. That mating still looks great to me to this day!
Again, negotiating the sale of Droopys Hope to Australia, after she had a failed litter to Sparta Maestro! Droopys Hope had the right mix of Australian and Irish blood to let the pedigree breathe for good success.
Why I tried to purchase Nicki Fields for a substantial 5 figure sum, in (Feb 11, 2015 at 7.48am), before she won a city race. I knew that with Droopys Kewell embedded in her, meant when the owner asked me who to put her to, my answer was Barcia Bale, who wasnt long at stud. Reason being, Droopys Kewell would let the pedigree breathe and look at the result - Hooked On Scotch! Even with her Fernando Bale litter, you have significant outcross in the pedigree!
Letting a pedigree breathe is very important IMO! And its a great asset to Jury at stud!
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 06 Sep 2021 22:30
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We are getting way off topic here....
You bred one handy dog from Mladys Fool using an import. Being the font of breeding knowledge you are, why did you suffocate the pedigree by using 3 of the greats (Inside the square sires) in Token Prince, Bombastic Shiraz and Collision?
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 06 Sep 2021 22:50
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Everything I mentioned above, is relevant to the topic.
You need knew material or maybe just a life? As Ive said many times already to your trolling on the same bitch. The answers can be found above and elsewhere.
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 07 Sep 2021 03:50
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I think like the vast majority of people on here (including the bloke running the show as it so happens) we are sick of hearing your spin and BS. Likewise as soon as someone holds a mirror up you, it's back to the constant deflection and ducking away from the truth. It's wearing thin.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 07 Sep 2021 04:12
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Get a life bud! Its what I do, keep having a crack and hoping I can keep breeding some decent dogs, nothing more nothing less!
Ray Morcomb Australia (Verified User) Posts 1331 Dogs 6 / Races 0 10 Sep 2021 01:48
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What has happened to Jurys good you g pup that won the QLD Derby?
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 10 Sep 2021 07:49
It is Ray, sires with very few matings, a sire trying to get off the ground can't afford to lose a talent like that so early in his career
He still has Indictment, the new kid on the block punching for him plus a few good honest lower graded runners winning races
Jason Bolwell Australia (Verified User) Posts 130 Dogs 44 / Races 1 08 Oct 2021 21:39
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Just checked out his sire page. From limited litters has produced some high quality race dogs and at $2,200 is cheap enough as well. If you have a chance check out the page all the information is there.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 11 May 2022 21:13
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Australia's history on greatest sires byway of feature race winners/per litters born.
Jury 3.5 (7 litters of racing age)
Gun Law Osti 4.5 Worth Doing 6.22 New Tears 6.39 Brett Lee 7.11 Temlee 7.76 Waverly Supreme 8.05 Chief Dingaan 8.24 Token Prince 8.35 Malawi's Prince 8.68 Head Honcho 9.03 Credibility 9.5 Just The Best 9.76
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 12 May 2022 06:09
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Can throw a very fast pup, BUT and there's always a BUT. 7 litters isn't enough to be able to compare to those greats and his best pups have come from two sub 30 seconds bitches at Albion Park.
Nathan Bendeich Australia (Verified User) Posts 1223 Dogs 13 / Races 0 12 May 2022 06:49
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Paul Dicks wrote:
Can throw a very fast pup, BUT and there's always a BUT. 7 litters isn't enough to be able to compare to those greats and his best pups have come from two sub 30 seconds bitches at Albion Park.
A descendant of the great brett lee sire line who you said was finished in aus ?
Who cares what his best pups are from or what they did ! If you ran your detective dick eye over the great Fernando who you continually lick its arse , youd find hes helpful broods (GRP performed or GRP produced ) before his mating came along is far greater then 2 out of 7 ?
But thats ok is it when it suits glorifying your chosen golden boy
Give it a rest on slaying every other sire having a go would ya when clearly theres only one sire thats had all the best of the best
They can all throw and good luck to those who use a lesser known rather then be a dumb shyt sheep
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
