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Nathan Bendeich Australia (Verified User) Posts 1223 Dogs 13 / Races 0 17 Jun 2022 10:34
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Million dollar dam line , and by I believe the best dog to ever come out of the US Infrared had a back straight run like no other , a mix of being possessed and having extra gears !
Evident in that pups run in the above thread ....... such a shame there wasnt more straws
Aussies father , enjoy ...... from memory his strike rate was above 30% also
Branko Lezaja Australia (Verified User) Posts 663 Dogs 2 / Races 0 19 Jun 2022 18:42
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Aussie Infrared was a great chaser & will give credit where it's due to him as a sire as he's a top producer, a chunk of of his success at stud is due to most of the broods he's served are some of the best in Australia , he's been blessed with serving the cream of the crop broodies which only a small minority of stud dogs get.
Larry Valenti Australia (Verified User) Posts 2141 Dogs 3 / Races 0 20 Jun 2022 00:28
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Geoff that's a great criteria for a sire , it simplifies what's needed , but if most of what you get in a pup comes from the dam , what's a good criteria for a dam . Also assuming we aren't really meant to use staying sires , do you think the sire criteria would still apply to say Zac monelli ?
Geoff Collins Australia (Verified User) Posts 2010 Dogs 291 / Races 30 20 Jun 2022 09:40
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Larry .. as you said it's a very simplified perspective. Having a track record is great but there are plenty of dogs that have broken records and failed at stud .. same with Group races .. we all want to win one but that doesnt guarantee any dogs success as a sire. It may be a good start but there are undoubtably a number of other aspects that affect a sires ability to produce.
Branko .. I'm not going to comment on the quality of other peoples broods but as Aussie only had 15 litters in his first year at stud .. he certainly didnt make it by weight of numbers
Branko Lezaja Australia (Verified User) Posts 663 Dogs 2 / Races 0 20 Jun 2022 11:11
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Geoff Collins wrote:
Larry .. as you said it's a very simplified perspective. Having a track record is great but there are plenty of dogs that have broken records and failed at stud .. same with Group races .. we all want to win one but that doesnt guarantee any dogs success as a sire. It may be a good start but there are undoubtably a number of other aspects that affect a sires ability to produce.
Branko .. I'm not going to comment on the quality of other peoples broods but as Aussie only had 15 litters in his first year at stud .. he certainly didnt make it by weight of numbers
Hi Geoff , Fair enough, Aussie did very well in his 1st year at stud serving 15 bitches when you compare him to most stud dogs the others barely get 3 - 5 in in their 1st year & some get 0 unfortunately and those dogs were great on the race track.
Larry Valenti Australia (Verified User) Posts 2141 Dogs 3 / Races 0 23 Jun 2022 02:57
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Larry Valenti wrote:
Geoff that's a great criteria for a sire , it simplifies what's needed , but if most of what you get in a pup comes from the dam , what's a good criteria for a dam . Also assuming we aren't really meant to use staying sires , do you think the sire criteria would still apply to say Zac monelli ?
Geoff it's slightly off topic of this thread , put it this way . Aussie had limited dams in his first year . Looking at the pick of that crop what if anything stands out to you as a typical dam type to be using , not just with Aussie but broadly speaking , say the dams best 3 attributes looking back , please .
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 27 Jun 2022 03:20
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Larry Valenti wrote:
Larry Valenti wrote:
Geoff that's a great criteria for a sire , it simplifies what's needed , but if most of what you get in a pup comes from the dam , what's a good criteria for a dam . Also assuming we aren't really meant to use staying sires , do you think the sire criteria would still apply to say Zac monelli ?
Geoff it's slightly off topic of this thread , put it this way . Aussie had limited dams in his first year . Looking at the pick of that crop what if anything stands out to you as a typical dam type to be using , not just with Aussie but broadly speaking , say the dams best 3 attributes looking back , please .
Aussie only had 15 bitches in his first Season and 18 bitches in his 2nd season, he had some nice city class bitches but not really what you would call Group 1 class bitches to elevate him
He has a real knack of upgrading his bitches and the signals are he will only get better as time progresses and his reputation is cemented
From what I have seen bitches with a combination of Barcia Bale, Bombastic Shiraz, Awesome Assassin, Wheres Pedro lines should produce well to him
Also does ok with Spiral Nikita, Premier Fantasy, Lonesome Cry and Kiowa Sweet Trey outcross lines
Nathan Bendeich Australia (Verified User) Posts 1223 Dogs 13 / Races 0 27 Jun 2022 03:45
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Nice info Sandro , good to know, but I think Larry is asking is if Aussies good traits for being a good sire in Geoffs eyes are 1.high chase , 2.GRP winner 3. Trec holder
What would Geoffs three interests or requirements for a brood be if Geoff was looking for a potential brood
I could be wrong but
Michael Eberand Australia (Verified User) Posts 845 Dogs 3 / Races 0 27 Jun 2022 23:28
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Should be able to add Fernando bale (and therefore Gable Dodge descendent) bitches to that list shortly if boom reports are to go off .
Sandro Bechini wrote:
Larry Valenti wrote:
Larry Valenti wrote:
Geoff that's a great criteria for a sire , it simplifies what's needed , but if most of what you get in a pup comes from the dam , what's a good criteria for a dam . Also assuming we aren't really meant to use staying sires , do you think the sire criteria would still apply to say Zac monelli ?
Geoff it's slightly off topic of this thread , put it this way . Aussie had limited dams in his first year . Looking at the pick of that crop what if anything stands out to you as a typical dam type to be using , not just with Aussie but broadly speaking , say the dams best 3 attributes looking back , please .
Aussie only had 15 bitches in his first Season and 18 bitches in his 2nd season, he had some nice city class bitches but not really what you would call Group 1 class bitches to elevate him
He has a real knack of upgrading his bitches and the signals are he will only get better as time progresses and his reputation is cemented
From what I have seen bitches with a combination of Barcia Bale, Bombastic Shiraz, Awesome Assassin, Wheres Pedro lines should produce well to him
Also does ok with Spiral Nikita, Premier Fantasy, Lonesome Cry and Kiowa Sweet Trey outcross lines
Geoff Collins Australia (Verified User) Posts 2010 Dogs 291 / Races 30 28 Jun 2022 11:18
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I have mentioned Aussies attributes previously he was very fast, a fantastic chaser, had a great temperament and an excellent kennel dog. His best distance was 450m but he was getting stronger and would have run a decent 500m before his injury .. also he was a 36kg dog so if I was picking a bitch for him she would be 30kg or under and preferably run a strong 500m. Having said that I told a prominent breeder my thoughts and they said they wanted 450m dogs from their proposed mating ... so fair enough .. each to their own.
In a general sense, if I had a rule book for breeding it would include most of these points: A top class dam line ... but not always the best performed bitch in the litter Current is important - every dog is well bred on its 4th/5th damline Nicks are one of my favourites methods .. and very current. Bitches by imported sires back to Aussie bred sires .. gold Imported dams/damlines have a history of producing well Traditionally it was Irish but recently American dams have shown up Temperament is also gold as is chase Try and look at a sire at the track .. especially in the parade ring .. you can see a lot Dont ONLY go off printed pedigrees, they're very helpful but nothing like seeing the dog in person Personally Im not interested in percentages in pedigrees, XY chromosomes etc etc Ask questions of breeders, breakers and trainers ... ask ... ask .. ask !! And finally .. dont be afraid to break any of these rules .. nothing should be set in stone ... breeding isnt an exact science
Larry Valenti Australia (Verified User) Posts 2141 Dogs 3 / Races 0 28 Jun 2022 12:53
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Thanks Geoff , fantastic insight, much appreciated. Back to the original common sense and KISS , cheers for that and thank you once again.
Terry Hines Australia (Verified User) Posts 875 Dogs 105 / Races 11 06 Jul 2022 23:06
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What the trainer likes about this fellow He chases and hes not the only one in the litter. https:/ CLICK HERE Now won 4 from 4 EXTERNAL LINK
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5957 Dogs 8 / Races 0 07 Jul 2022 02:13
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If you look at what Aussie's dam Ebby Miss brings back into Brett Lee's line https:/ CLICK HERE it's an extremely high 94% percent(15 of 16 lines in the 5th gen), coverage of Gun Law Osti recreated thru different individuals Brother Fox, The Smoother & Osti Lee creating that Gun Law Osti nick.
Electrified's pedigree is reinforcing the combination that nicks with this particular damline with Ebby Miss giving up this very similar pattern creating a breeding parallel to Gun Law Osti.
It eliminates the need to guess at which sire suits your line. It's then a matter of matching up temperaments of sire and dam and whatever else you may think important to add to the mix.
The basis of sire choice tho shld imo be, what you need the sire to bring to the damline. In this case it's an extremely high percentage of Gun Law Osti for a very obvious reason.
Terry Hines Australia (Verified User) Posts 875 Dogs 105 / Races 11 12 Nov 2022 22:21
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Electrified now won 14 from 18 runs. Trashed a good field in Youngstar classic WA EXTERNAL LINK Ive know connection to the dog or sire, However trainer tells me hes a real good hard chaser. Ps a silver chief start is now on the cards.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 13 Nov 2022 01:38
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Terry Hines wrote:
Electrified now won 14 from 18 runs. Trashed a good field in Youngstar classic WA EXTERNAL LINK Ive know connection to the dog or sire, However trainer tells me hes a real good hard chaser. Ps a silver chief start is now on the cards.
Jack Ogilvie Australia (Verified User) Posts 15480 Dogs 0 / Races 1 13 Nov 2022 04:46
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Me, I only buy Aussies now. My Cold twist bitch is doing things that a pup 5 days in its education does not do like rip the lure off the arm, and chase her bum off boxes well. Aussie puts so much into his pups. Cheers, Jack.
Jack Ogilvie Australia (Verified User) Posts 15480 Dogs 0 / Races 1 15 Nov 2022 06:57
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My pup Chased all the way first go at Warrnambool Huge bite. Only 7 days into her education.
Mick Whyte Australia (Verified User) Posts 1109 Dogs 23 / Races 3 17 Nov 2022 11:08
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Just done this week,pretty excited about this mating. https:/ CLICK HERE
Jack Ogilvie Australia (Verified User) Posts 15480 Dogs 0 / Races 1 17 Nov 2022 19:15
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So you should be Mick. The doubling of HH is what you want. BB bitches X well with Aussie. Cheers, Jack.
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