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Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 6026 Dogs 28 / Races 32 20 Apr 2009 22:56
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Forever hearing about stud dogs and all the hype, imports and how they are producing, but what about the poor bitch. I gather there would be a few about with offspring racing though what imported bitches have influenced lines in any way since the early 70's and 60's. Clonmannon Ivy, through World Acclaim, Made to Size, Fallem Zorro and Halls Northern Monalee Again through Hoppy's Girl, Bomber Gleeson, Brumby Lad and Trew Millions. Its takes longer to introduce fresh blood via a female and prob the main reason why breeders stay clear, other then the odd few. But there are others out there and just wondering who they are as it will be interesting to follow them.
David Brasch Australia (Team Member) Posts 844 Dogs 2138 / Races 9672 20 Apr 2009 23:46
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Dan
This bitch did well.
CLICK HERE She had an interesting pedigree and one that was always going to link up well with the Temlee line, mainly because she carried Wonder Valley in her tail female line and he is a virtual brother to Tivoli Dreamer, and she also carried another brother Lucky wonder in her sireline. In fact, she had virtually the same pedigree top and bottom.
This bitch too did extremely well.
CLICK HERE Have a look at her pedigree. In-bred 3x4 to Sally's Gossip top and bottom of the pedigree, and carrying The Grand Champion through the middle of both her sire and dam. The fact she also carried Prairie Peg in her damline allowed her to pick up beautifully with the Prairie Peg crosses in Temlee's grandsire, and also in Waverly supreme's damline.
Jim Meletios Australia (Verified User) Posts 7500 Dogs 6 / Races 1 20 Apr 2009 23:54
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CLICK HERE still racing.Dam is loaded with Skipping Chick/Bal M blood.....in fact a direct descendant of the great Ballinderry Moth.....great linebreed Wonder if she has had a litter to Slater?.Fortress>>I/m Slippy + JTB
David Brasch Australia (Team Member) Posts 844 Dogs 2138 / Races 9672 21 Apr 2009 00:46
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It's interesting that some are now saying Premier Fantasy is proving an influence in Australia. Interesting because his alternate sex path runs to this bitch
CLICK HERE See how she carries a double to Prairie Vixen, dam of Prairie Peg (included in this bitch's pedigree) who as we have just discussed is so prominant in the pedigree of both Temlee and Waverly Supreme.
Jim, I find it fascinating that Sunnyside Girl carries FOUR crosses of Skipping Chick ... all through different individuals.
Jim Meletios Australia (Verified User) Posts 7500 Dogs 6 / Races 1 21 Apr 2009 00:56
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She is almost the "perfect" import given the JTB sons affinity to the line. I remember discussing CLICK HERE with you years ago and his relationship with this line.There is a very real "affinity" between CRED(Worth Doing>>Wav Sup), Im Slippy and the Rosemoth line.Knocka has the Im Slippy Made to Size the Curryhill Brute Kostic Burns etc etc This "affinity" also includes the Maythorn Pride descendants..both Maldini and P/F have this significantly CLICK HERE To turn it around further would Token Prince or high% Wav Sup bitches click to this dog CLICK HERE
David Brasch Australia (Team Member) Posts 844 Dogs 2138 / Races 9672 21 Apr 2009 01:15
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This is the pedigree of Tear's Girl, dam of legend stayer Trojan Tears
Brave Bran's brother Brown Lad (and thus Rosemoth) plays a huge part as damsire
But Jim ... ask most breeders (even some of the "greats") and they will tell you back three generations does not have an influence at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jim Meletios Australia (Verified User) Posts 7500 Dogs 6 / Races 1 21 Apr 2009 01:20
I know Brown Lads bro Brave Bran is in some of the best Irish English dams mostly doubled such as here CLICK HERE she is one of the elite bitches currently in Ireland. Cheers Yads ______________________________________
David I reckon Sunnyside Girls record speaks for itself don't you. Something going on back there hey.
Jim, Premier Fantasy was one of those dogs that come only once in ten years. People like Seamus Graham are not prone to exaggerating. He was flawless in his short racing career but he did not race beyond 480 metres, would he have stayed beyond that distance? I do not know. There is no doubt about his chasing traits, will he throw good stock? His dam was a good long distance bitch. His grand dam, Pauls Turn bred very well. For Australia? depends how many broods the owner keeps. The sire of Premier Fantasy, Premier County was a rare early paced racer from Pat Daltons Maythorn Pride line. Roanokee was the only other sire that threw early to this Irish line in recent times IMO. An Irish breeder might conclude that Premier Fantasy derives much of his racing ability from the crossing of Daleys Gold and Burnpark Sally blood. Premier County has not done much at stud bar P.F.
Jim, what a diamond of a pedigree Little Diamond has. It's virtually Tear's Laddie, Tear's Girl and Trojan Tears. Right to Droopy's Maldini. I must admit I don't take as much notice of the Irish pedigrees as I should. Little Diamond is a fantastic example of just what we've been talking about here. Obviously reinforcing all those great lines constantly and coming up with greatness.
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Why do you reckon Sunnyside Girl has been such a successful brood ? Only JTB or his sons used also?.
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 6026 Dogs 28 / Races 32 21 Apr 2009 02:05
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Jim i reckon your Token/Malawi's Prince bitches would suit this dog much better than Ahane Lad CLICK HERE The top dogs over the last five years in Ire/Uk, most carry the Waverley Supreme, Laurdella Fun and Sandman crosses. We know how well it works here in Oz without looking through Top Honcho offshore. With both damlines carrying the Sandman x Maythorn Pride cross via Black Weather and Sand Black, Phoenix's dam has that extra FUN.
Jim Meletios Australia (Verified User) Posts 7500 Dogs 6 / Races 1 21 Apr 2009 02:11
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All well and good Dan from an hypothetical breeding on paper. On the track there was no comparison whatsoever and it must be taken into consideration.Ahanne Lad was an elite racer as was Maldini and Premier Fantasy let's not forget.
Mark Glennerster United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 3208 Dogs 0 / Races 0 21 Apr 2009 02:15
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Its interesting that once again through Davids two examples its basically Irish coursing lines that have been more successful as both broods and sires over the years in Oz, same here in the States, how relivant is this?
Em Gee.
Jim Meletios Australia (Verified User) Posts 7500 Dogs 6 / Races 1 21 Apr 2009 02:21
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Mark while you are here CLICK HERE What of the sire allup?.
Rob Tyler Australia (Verified User) Posts 5176 Dogs 64 / Races 113 21 Apr 2009 02:30
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Jim Meletios wrote:
She is almost the "perfect" import given the JTB sons affinity to the line. I remember discussing CLICK HERE with you years ago and his relationship with this line.There is a very real "affinity" between CRED(Worth Doing>>Wav Sup), Im Slippy and the Rosemoth line.Knocka has the Im Slippy Made to Size the Curryhill Brute Kostic Burns etc etc This "affinity" also includes the Maythorn Pride descendants..both Maldini and P/F have this significantly CLICK HERE To turn it around further would Token Prince or high% Wav Sup bitches click to this dog CLICK HERE
Jim, Interesting comments. I have put Rylee Reason (Token Prince x Risque Reason x Playground) to Ahane Lad and they are the nicest pups on the property, nice to handle and mental case keen. I haven't seen any Ahane Lad pups as yet race...not sure how old his first litter is over here.
Mark Glennerster United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 3208 Dogs 0 / Races 0 21 Apr 2009 02:30
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Jim,
He has thrown a few very useful performers, a few of his tend to be a bit after you types, very fast with a clear run and I know you can say that about a lot of dogs, I think talking to a few people the jury is still out on him, he has had plenty of bitches so if numbers count he should become a significant stud dog in the next twelve months.
Em Gee.
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 6026 Dogs 28 / Races 32 21 Apr 2009 02:33
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Jim, and top peformed imports helped shape the current breeds, yeh right.
Jim Meletios Australia (Verified User) Posts 7500 Dogs 6 / Races 1 21 Apr 2009 02:37
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Rob CLICK HERE the Curryhill in playground ties in nicely.....and the high% Wav Sup...look about.
Mark looks like a lot of damsires from Dalton breds...?Thanks for that.Do you reckon he'd work here?.
Rob Tyler Australia (Verified User) Posts 5176 Dogs 64 / Races 113 21 Apr 2009 02:40
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And one of the daughters will go straight to Surf Lorian. That I really like.
Jim Meletios Australia (Verified User) Posts 7500 Dogs 6 / Races 1 21 Apr 2009 02:43
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Dig deeper Rob you must have one of these hanging around CLICK HERE Or a dam perhaps CLICK HERE
Mark Glennerster United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 3208 Dogs 0 / Races 0 21 Apr 2009 02:51
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Yes Jim Pats damline has been very significant here, more so than in his native Ireland. I was talking to his son John at the Nationals today, they have a few broods in the auction on Friday and do not have much trouble selling them, even those that were not great performers.
Maryville Rumble is a bit like a few of the Aussie sires in Ireland, I do not think he would have got much patronige at home but who knows what he may achieve here or in Oz. at least you would have a few line breeding oppurtunities with others from Steve Kavanagh's lines.
Em Gee.
Rob Tyler Australia (Verified User) Posts 5176 Dogs 64 / Races 113 21 Apr 2009 02:52
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Jim, Surf Lorian or Made to Size would be the go, I reckon.
Mal Dawson Australia (Verified User) Posts 5640 Dogs 27 / Races 65 21 Apr 2009 02:54
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Dan hollywood wrote:
Forever hearing about stud dogs and all the hype, imports and how they are producing, but what about the poor bitch. I gather there would be a few about with offspring racing though what imported bitches have influenced lines in any way since the early 70's and 60's. Clonmannon Ivy, through World Acclaim, Made to Size, Fallem Zorro and Halls Northern Monalee Again through Hoppy's Girl, Bomber Gleeson, Brumby Lad and Trew Millions. Its takes longer to introduce fresh blood via a female and prob the main reason why breeders stay clear, other then the odd few. But there are others out there and just wondering who they are as it will be interesting to follow them.
Dan these are only about 6-8 wks away from starting and the first litter are winning alot of races in VIC but none are getting ground. HOT TERRAIN is going well and won the ROSEBOWL a few weeks back, but im sure a couple of the GWT will get 500 and have great upfront speed.
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
