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Do you have questions about breeding theories?
Or do you need tips on how to rear your pups?

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Allan Rutherford
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14 Sep 2012 20:08


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Why not ! Is there a guaranteed formula for success ?


Michael Murphy
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14 Sep 2012 20:24


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Allan Rutherford wrote:

Why not ! Is there a guaranteed formula for success ?

Yes Alan there is no guarantee but it is important to keep the odds on your side.
Mugs.


Allan Rutherford
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14 Sep 2012 20:39


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I agree that's why we are breeding with her ! Time will tell, like every other mating selected!


Michael Murphy
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Point accepted and I should have been more specific but it does look like taking a bigger chance than need be. Crossing a bitch whose sire is American with a stud whose sire was also U.S. bred. You are right though all matings are a chance. Good luck no offence intended.

Mugs.



Paul Blyth
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Dave Lonergan
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dont why the hell you'd go to hondo dingle when you could just go to hondo black.....anyways i totally agree with Mugs.. Cashen Legend or his brothers would be the cross for me....complete outcross except for a double dose of sobbing sal....which is definitely a good thing..
plus he won the laurels...secondly his litter mates were all top notch

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Allan Rutherford
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Michael, no offence taken !
Dave, in making the decision a lot of factors were taken into account - we already have pups out of Hondo Black, College Causeway, Vans Escalade & Westmead Hawk, we wanted to outcross as much as possible with this bitch as well as reinforcing the stamina lines she already has in her back breeding. In the circumstances, we are more than happy that Hondo Dingle is a suitable sire at a fraction of the price (again a major factor in the current financial climate). We are not breeding for commercial purposes as the pups are reared on until 12 months before selling some of the litter. We are breeding for ourselves and whilst it is always good to hear other opinions, in the end we all make decisions based on what we think are the right.
Until someone can prove categorically that there is a set formula for success we will continue to weigh up all the factors and decide on the sire accordingly.
It will be very interesting to see who her litter comrades (Razldazl Marilyn, Jaytee Monroe & Coventry Kid are eventually mated to).
Hopefully we will be proved right (if not we will try again) !



Dave Lonergan
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Well best of luck to you Allan thats a lot of information there that wasnt mentioned when looking for an outcross..personally i wouldnt choose that dog for any bitch of mine...but to each his own...i do my own thing myself and i live with results and no regrets...at least i swing for the fences as they say in the USA....seems to me your trying to breed middle distance to marathon dogs....i try to breed speed to speed and hope they stay as many irish doggy men do

good luck


Allan Rutherford
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Thanks Dave ! If we were all of the same opinion it would be very boring.


Allan Rutherford
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I should add that the bitch is with one of Irelands most respected doggie men so its not a decision that has been made lightly or by a deluded english man living in Ireland !



Dave Lonergan
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What?/ there are deluded english men living in Ireland?? who knew...lmao

best of luck


Paul Dicks
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Looking at the Irish Derby and Melbourne Cup fields and their pedigrees, I believe it's not long until an Outcross will be almost impossible. I understand there has always been distant outcrosses, but those are being pushed closer and closer to the first page of a pedigree. What are we going to do when we need fresh blood in the future?


Sandro Bechini
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Paul Dicks wrote:

Looking at the Irish Derby and Melbourne Cup fields and their pedigrees, I believe it's not long until an Outcross will be almost impossible. I understand there has always been distant outcrosses, but those are being pushed closer and closer to the first page of a pedigree. What are we going to do when we need fresh blood in the future?

There are plenty of straws for older sires still available

And in some cases old becomes new

It took about 5 generations but New Tears via Roanokee via Ballymac Maeve down to Droopys Sydney has re-emerged as a prominent and dominant sire line in the UK/Ireland

That line with a lot of prominent sons of over there retiring and still racing will no doubt find their way over here

We should also as an industry be getting as many straws of sires with diverse USA blood to be used over broods before it totally shuts down

There seem to be a lot of females being imported and quite a few are throwing some very nice dogs here like Barooga Brett, Christo Bale etc and they need to be supported to keep the diversity of the lines active

Also, there will be an explosion of KC And All blood in the next few years as well, via numerous sons at stud, so dogs like grandsons & great grandsons of Flying Penske, Kiowa Sweet Trey, Molotow, Gable Dodge, Dutch Bahama etc with diverse damlines need bringing in

One sire we don;t have much of his blood here who was successful in Ireland was Hondo Black

He has a son in Hookesy who was a superior pup fo his time and has thrown some very handy performers from not the cream of broods

He surely could be utilized to some advantage

https:/ CLICK HERE
One thing I find astounding is that there is not really a Brett Lee son or grandson that is taking his line forward

It is slowly dying out

Black Magic Opal & El Grand Senor would be the most prominent along with Zipping Garth

Perhaps its that great line that needs to be re injected into our progeny now via a grandson/great grandson



Darren Leeson
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Diversity of bloodlines is what we want! A universal mix, still offers plenty of that vital outcross blood. Baby Jaycee is a good example of such - EXTERNAL LINK

Sandro, Aussie Paul Horig (importer of Spiral Nikita) owns this major G1 winner with Hondo Black in his pedigree. Hopefully, Paul sends his semen or the dog himself to Oz - https:/ CLICK HERE


Sandro Bechini
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Darren Leeson wrote:

Diversity of bloodlines is what we want! A universal mix, still offers plenty of that vital outcross blood. Baby Jaycee is a good example of such - EXTERNAL LINK

Sandro, Aussie Paul Horig (importer of Spiral Nikita) owns this major G1 winner with Hondo Black in his pedigree. Hopefully, Paul sends his semen or the dog himself to Oz - https:/ CLICK HERE

I think he would be a worthwile addition to the Stud ranks as well if his Frozen or the dog himself could land here


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