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Swollen toe

Brent Dunlop
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19 May 2023 09:54


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I have a bitch with a swollen toe after spraining it a month ago.
Vet said it's just a sprain, felt stable , just a stretched ligament.
I had it bandaged for 2 weeks then I've been using Odzon and Zheng Gu Shui on it for the next 2 weeks. Have kept her in the house for 4 weeks. She is ok with me touching it and she is buzzing round the house well on it but it is still very swollen.
Is this normal? I know they heal a bit larger but this is pretty big.
At what stage should the swelling go down?
Cheers


Daryl Barrett
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21 May 2023 16:17


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Gday Brent,

Did youre Vet inject around the ligament ??

Sometimes the joint area will remain like it is due to the ligament damage & being injected to help repair the ligament itself,or if there was damage to the joint as well.

Im just wondering if the ligament(s),that run down both sides of the joint actually snapped,not just strained,it seems a bit odd that there is that much swelling from a strained ligament alone.

You can diagnose a snapped ligament youreself by seperating the toes next to the affected toe,gently push the toe at the injury site to one side ( left & then right ),then release it,the affected toe should " spring" back to its orinal natural positon,if it doesnt & stays in the position when you moved that toe to the side,there is a pretty fair chance the ligament(s) have snapped or torn.

If that is the case,synthetic ligament can be sewn in to help support the joint area of that toe,a fairly simple procedure for most vets,once healed & returns to galloping,use a "Toe Band",this will prevent that toe from spreading during triallig,free gallops & racing,& reducing the chance of the damaged ligament (s),from tearing or snapping again when the dog is gripping whilst galloping.

Maybe take youre dog back to youre Vet & get it checked again if you arent confident enough to check for a " sprung toe" mate.

Hope this helps in some way.

PS,

Send Carole Browne or use the tab," Ask the Vet" on G/D a message,im sure they would have some possible scenario's for you as well.
Good luck mate.


Brent Dunlop
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23 May 2023 09:01


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Hi Daryl
Appreciate your response. No the vet didn't needle it or xray. He said it wasnt worth xraying it. I remember him saying he tested for sideways movement and it seemed very strong and stable indictating that the ligaments were just a bit stretched. It seems rock hard but it's a very bulbous type of swelling. Is there anyway to upload you a picture? Really the swelling hasn't changed from day 1, but it is rock hard and springs back in place ( i think)
Brent


Paul Dicks
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23 May 2023 09:41


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Sounds like a classic knocked up toe to me. But I'm certainly no expert. I don't know if it's still a "done thing", but back in the good old / bad old days they used to blister them I think. Again with the caveat that I don't know what I'm talking about.


Brent Dunlop
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23 May 2023 11:18


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Thanks Paul. Does the swelling ever go away? Would cutting the nail get rid of any blood buildup,? Or too late now? Its probably scar tissue by now.


Paul Dicks
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23 May 2023 19:28


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Knocked up toes can stay swollen forever. They can look nasty, but are completely stable.

Brent do you have a good muscleman/checker to go to? Also I suggest you find yourself a greyhound training mentor. I was blessed to have a mate who was a genius with dogs. I was constantly picking his brain and seeking advice.


Daryl Barrett
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23 May 2023 20:09


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Gday Brent,

Well that eliminates a couple of possibilities,given the ligament was diagnosed as being stretched,the may have been a blood vessel that burst & has caused a small bleed,& this can cause a Haematoma to form under the skin,in simpler terms- a blood blister,& they can become quiet firm & hard over time,but again,i would go back to youre Vet & ask the question.

If it is that,it can be fixed simply,youre Vet can do it a few ways,bu either draining the blood sack ( Haematoma ),using a syringe,or by lancing it with a scalpel & leave it to drain & dry out & heal,this normally has a better result over draining with a syringe,syringing can drain the Haematoma,but the entry point of the needle can close up & heal quiet quickly,& the " blood sack" can fill back up with blood,by using a lancing method,it is left open to drain & heal slowly & naturally,if it is a large cut,a couple of stitches are sewn in to close the cut,but the bottom of the cut will be left open so it can drain,its a fairly simple proceedure for Vets to do.

This is just another possible reason why that swelling is still there,but Brent,im only speaking from my past experiences, i would still take youre dog back to youre Vet,& ask about the possibility of this being the problem.
Let us know how you go mate.

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I'm pretty sure that " blistering" has been banned mate,it is deemed as cruelty due to the nature of what it does to the skin,maybe someone else can confirm that.
Brent Dunlop wrote:

Hi Daryl
Appreciate your response. No the vet didn't needle it or xray. He said it wasnt worth xraying it. I remember him saying he tested for sideways movement and it seemed very strong and stable indictating that the ligaments were just a bit stretched. It seems rock hard but it's a very bulbous type of swelling. Is there anyway to upload you a picture? Really the swelling hasn't changed from day 1, but it is rock hard and springs back in place ( i think)
Brent




Daryl Barrett
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23 May 2023 20:15


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Pretty sure that has been banned.
Paul Dicks wrote:

Sounds like a classic knocked up toe to me. But I'm certainly no expert. I don't know if it's still a "done thing", but back in the good old / bad old days they used to blister them I think. Again with the caveat that I don't know what I'm talking about.




Brent Dunlop
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23 May 2023 23:13


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Hi Daryl
Thanks for this comprehensive reply. You're absolutely right. The vet used the word Haematoma last time i was there. I will report back to him to have it looked at. I tell you what it has been fun having her in the house resting for a month, wow.
I didn't do any blistering, just some Odzon or chinese liniment for a couple of days on and off.
Cheers mate


Daryl Barrett
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Gday Brent,

Well now "Dr Time" will do its thing mate,hopefully it wont be too much longer & back to normal.
Penetrene solution is fantastic for that stretched ligament as well ,but if your'e happy with the results from what you are using,then stick with that mate.

Keep us updated :)

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