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Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 25 Jun 2015 07:28
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John McAlister wrote:
damn always wrong I am
I'm glad you agree.....& if you think a dog is in his prime at 24 months (2yrs), your wrong again.
Sean O'Donnell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4262 Dogs 64 / Races 54 25 Jun 2015 07:48
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david stojanov wrote:
sorry out of luck his price for straw is $3300
Plenty of proven options out their is that's the case. Greed is a dissapontng thing!
Chris Nutt Australia (Verified User) Posts 310 Dogs 2 / Races 0 25 Jun 2015 08:03
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And yet people are banging down the door to get a straw. I gladly paid for mine.
Sean O'Donnell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4262 Dogs 64 / Races 54 25 Jun 2015 08:28
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Chris Nutt wrote:
And yet people are banging down the door to get a straw. I gladly paid for mine.
I happy for you Chris!
The greyhound industry is at an all time low, the dogs won its owner $600000, one of many stud dogs that have earned the owner millions in prize money and stud fees combined.
You couldn't take more from the industry and give very little back in return. Sorry it's greed at that price. Barcia was put to $3300 where is his offspring that were supposed to dominate? The next big thing?
No offence Chris your the biggest advertiser for wheeler stud dogs going!
Ben George (Verified User) Posts 716 Dogs 2 / Races 2 25 Jun 2015 08:36
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I was happy enough to pay that price too...... I've said many times on this forum the market dictates prices on everything. Your a mug if you don't take advantage of it, it's the one of the main reasons people are successful when it comes to money. Rest assured my pups from this guy won't be cheap either.
Phil Hall Australia (Verified User) Posts 1320 Dogs 21 / Races 21 25 Jun 2015 08:37
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is that roughly what brett lee started at ?
Chris Nutt Australia (Verified User) Posts 310 Dogs 2 / Races 0 25 Jun 2015 08:37
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I'm The Bale manager. Just like your the Magic Sprite manager.
Chris Nutt Australia (Verified User) Posts 310 Dogs 2 / Races 0 25 Jun 2015 08:42
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So if it's greed Sean. Who are you pointing the finger at? The owner or stud master???
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 25 Jun 2015 08:48
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phil hall wrote:
is that roughly what brett lee started at ?
$2500
Ben George (Verified User) Posts 716 Dogs 2 / Races 2 25 Jun 2015 08:49
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Don't get me started on MS.........ha ha
Phil Hall Australia (Verified User) Posts 1320 Dogs 21 / Races 21 25 Jun 2015 08:49
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steven martin wrote:
phil hall wrote:
is that roughly what brett lee started at ?
$2500
ok thanks better put few more grand on his dad sire lol
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 25 Jun 2015 08:51
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Must admit. Pretty tuff GIG being a stud master RIGHT NOW (not all but most)..compared to this time last year.
Sean O'Donnell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4262 Dogs 64 / Races 54 25 Jun 2015 09:17
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Chris am I mistaken but does Paul wheeler own the stud dogs? I has stated I thought magic sprite went up to high at $2750 but can the dog produce yes and by far better than anything on the stud market in active service and has earned his price rises wrk and truly, hence why I'd say Paul wheeler has used him multiple times!
the owner has the final say on price and I'm sure westy would not refuse to take a stud dog of such magnatude as fernando bale if Paul wheeler said hey look the industry has provided me with good fortunes hey I'll start him at a fair price for breeders and give a little back????? Say $2200 starting the same as el grand senor who was and elite animal of the highest order breaking multiple track records and multiple group 1 winner with a phenomenal record of 35 wins, 4 - 2nd, 1 - 3rd from 43 starts and racing at a time where the level of competitors were tough and a plenty!
Yes greed is disappointing at that price.
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 25 Jun 2015 09:40
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steven martin wrote:
John McAlister wrote:
damn always wrong I am
I'm glad you agree.....& if you think a dog is in his prime at 24 months (2yrs), your wrong again.
I'm just going to agree with you steve because you are 1 guy that would definitely know
Steve Harvey Australia (Verified User) Posts 1175 Dogs 0 / Races 0 25 Jun 2015 10:07
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I think that a K9 who hits its "prime" at the ages various people have mentioned on this thread IS NOT GOSPEL ! I have seen & had K9's that were at their "peak" at 20mths & never improved past that age & had K9's that were EXTREMELY slow matures that didn't hit their "peak" until nearly 3 1/2 years of age & raced until over 5 years of age in top form until injury ended their career ! We had a superstar bitch that won a Y.S.C at Harold Park at 17mths of age & she raced in vintage form until 5 years old + in the meantime whelped a litter of pups & returned 2 the track 2 win many more FFA's at TAB tracks until sustaining a major injury that finished her career. Each K9 is different & yes a "average" age can be somewhat determined as being at its "prime" but it doesn't always turn out 2 be so from my/our experiences. I DON'T want 2 start a big argument or debate on my post here with anybody as my comments are 100% based on TRUE & FACTUAL occurrences with some K9's we have had over the years. Regards.
David Plumridge Australia (Verified User) Posts 414 Dogs 563 / Races 127 25 Jun 2015 10:19
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Sean, where have you been, your back with your usual, supply and demand and the demand is there !!!!! Well bred, great box manners and early speed and runs 500 metres......3,300k will look like a steal when it goes up in time.
Sean O'Donnell wrote:
Chris Nutt wrote:
And yet people are banging down the door to get a straw. I gladly paid for mine.
I happy for you Chris!
The greyhound industry is at an all time low, the dogs won its owner $600000, one of many stud dogs that have earned the owner millions
You couldn't take more from the industry and give very little back in return. Sorry it's greed at that price. Barcia was put to $3300 where is his offspring that were supposed to dominate? The next big thing?
No offence Chris your the biggest advertiser for wheeler stud dogs going!
Sean O'Donnell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4262 Dogs 64 / Races 54 25 Jun 2015 11:10
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David that's what they said about barcia bale?
Anyway if people want to pay that I wish them luck, he sure is a talented dog, but has he achieved more than El grand senor, High earner these dogs started at a fair dinkum price.
Brett lee in my opinion was a much better dog and genetically he has on thrown that, so doe the comparison justify?
Surely Paul wheeler could afford to set a reasonable price, that's giving a little back for the good fortune he has been gifted with! Is it good for the industry for people to take and take again? I think not!
Anyway that's my opinion! Plenty will agree but few will say it!
Doug Taylor Australia (Verified User) Posts 1896 Dogs 22 / Races 1 25 Jun 2015 11:34
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Sean O'Donnell wrote:
David that's what they said about barcia bale?
You mean the sire of the dog that broke a metropolitan track record at Albion Park in Group heats tonight? Looks to be justifying his price to me.
To suggest Paul has been 'gifted' with good fortune is pretty poor for mine too. The harder you work the luckier you get, I'll never begrudge people who've put in the work getting a return. It's people who sit back complaining about how 'lucky' others have had it that need to reassess how they go about things.
Dale Hogan Australia (Verified User) Posts 291 Dogs 24 / Races 12 25 Jun 2015 14:52
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Agree with you Doug and Barcia has had quite few fast dog lately Winsome Prince comes to mind for me for a young sire I think and he's serve plenty more interesting bitches to come most notable of them all being Miata and say what u like everyone wants to see how they go!! Now if you Look at breeding here in Australia right now our bitches are very saturated with Brett Lee and other speed lines now success is coming from taking bitches with these lines to sires with Black Shiraz or to an OutCross sire, Fernando Has both those attributes in spades he also has an amazing start, explosive early speed, strong sectional pace and a power packed finish all that on paper adds up to he could be a superstar sire but as we all know there are no guarantees so pricing him to get only the genuine breeder isn't a bad business decision to give this dog a solid chance to make his mark at stud like he is on track...
Sean O'Donnell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4262 Dogs 64 / Races 54 25 Jun 2015 20:24
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Doug plenty of hard workers in the industry, yes Paul wheeler wouldn't Acheive what he has without hard work and yes he has had good fortune (gifted the hard work of his father and lines) continued success I'm not begrudging it at all!
What I've pointed out is is do not see a price tag like has been touted for fernando bale as good for the industry and considering the amount of prize money earned and stud dogs etc, would it hurt to put a fair price on a new and exciting sire ($1650-$2200) that gives back to the industry especially in the current state the industry is in?
Sorry I admire humble and greateful people, and prices being placed on stud dogs by those who can afford to be grateful and humble based upon being successful choose to drive up the prices on people being able to access their stud dogs, I don't see it as that, but just another cash grab!
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