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Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 14 Jul 2022 10:48
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9 races down on the big night at Albion Park.
The GOAT was the sire or grandsire of all 3 the feature race winners.
5 winners and grandsire of 2 winners.
This dog just keeps on proving the doubters wrong every race meeting that roles around. To say I'm in awe of him is a massive understatement. Long live the greatest race dog, greatest sire, greatest sire of future sires and greatest sire of future broods. Unbloodybelievable.
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 14 Jul 2022 10:54
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Nathan Bendeich wrote:
Sandro Bechini wrote:
Paul Dicks wrote:
Tab Origin Greyhound Distance Final
GOAT Quinella
4th sired by his son Out of Range, if interested
Sired winner of origin match race
Seems to be throwing some nice types (size upgrade)from a handful of litters on the ground in aust With an obvious liking to barcia bale broods
Well done Out of range , quiet achiever at present
Ps Fernando isnt the grand sire of good odds cash
Please stop posting inaccurate information and blatant lies, it is getting out of hand. He most definitely the Grandsire of Good Odds Cash
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 14 Jul 2022 11:04
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From now on the Fernando Bale knockers will be known as the "SOGGY BOTTOM BOY'S" because every time they knock him he bend's them over and gives them a proper "SHAFTING"
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 14 Jul 2022 11:10
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Sandown tonight, 11 races down.
4 FB winners 3 he was the Grandsire of winners 3 FB's 2nd within a length of winning
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 14 Jul 2022 11:20
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Paul Dicks wrote:
9 races down on the big night at Albion Park.
The GOAT was the sire or grandsire of all 3 the feature race winners.
5 winners and grandsire of 2 winners.
This dog just keeps on proving the doubters wrong every race meeting that roles around. To say I'm in awe of him is a massive understatement. Long live the greatest race dog, greatest sire, greatest sire of future sires and greatest sire of future broods. Unbloodybelievable.
Polishes off the night with another winner in the last. If you aren't impressed by Fernando Bale I'm sorry you are just WRONG or IGNORANT, plain and simple.
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 14 Jul 2022 11:42
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Mark Staines wrote:
From now on the Fernando Bale knockers will be known as the "SOGGY BOTTOM BOY'S" because every time they knock him he bend's them over and gives them a proper "SHAFTING"
As Mark Twain said It is better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 15 Jul 2022 01:59
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Looks like Paul is correct, with those Peter Rose Winning Lines stats, when it comes to multiple feature race winners in a litter. Which IMO only distorts the facts.
So, based on once a feature race winner is in the litter, Ive moved on to the next litter. This is what Ive come up with.
Feature race winner / per litters born
Black Magic Opal 6.67 Gun Law Osti 8.7 Fernando Bale 11.29 Bombastic Shiraz 11.32 Barcia Bale 14.33 (only 1/2 way through) Aussie Infrared 21 Zambora Brockie 22.71 Aston Dee Bee 22.78 Zipping Garth 63 Orson Allen 77
Fair to say both Black Magic Opal and Gun Law Osti had a lot less litters. So whos to say where they might end up, with comparable litter numbers to the likes of Fernando Bale and Bombastic Shiraz?
N.B Im not implying anything, just find it interesting and curiosity got the better of me LOL
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 15 Jul 2022 07:07
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Out of interest how are Fernando bale sons Sennachie, Fully Loaded, My Redeemer, out of range, rippin Sam, etc. travelling for feature winners/city winners?
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 15 Jul 2022 09:15
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Matt Griffiths wrote:
Out of interest how are Fernando bale sons Sennachie, Fully Loaded, My Redeemer, out of range, rippin Sam, etc. travelling for feature winners/city winners?
It wouldn't be fair to judge their careers yet, using this method. I was fortunate enough to meet Peter Rose and pick his brain. A very quiet subdued man but highly intelligent and a wealth of greyhound knowledge. I'm positive he didn't calculate stats for sires until they had been at stud for a certain number of years and had a particular number of litters on the ground. We shouldn't be trying to calculate percentages using different formulas and criteria.
To my way of thinking, I reckon a good formula would be total litters over 3 years of age divided by every Group win by progeny.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 15 Jul 2022 12:05
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Feature race winner / per litters born
Black Magic Opal 6.67 Brett Lee 7.65 (worldwide phenomenon) Gun Law Osti 8.7 Fernando Bale 11.29 Bombastic Shiraz 11.32 Barcia Bale 14.33 (only 1/2 way through) Aussie Infrared 21 Zambora Brockie 22.71 Aston Dee Bee 22.78 My Redeemer 57 Zipping Garth 63 Orson Allen 77
If he was Razordot on Global Greyhounds/AGF, he used to wait for 100 litters over 2yo before he thought they were meaningful
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 15 Jul 2022 23:11
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Paul Dicks wrote:
Matt Griffiths wrote:
Out of interest how are Fernando bale sons Sennachie, Fully Loaded, My Redeemer, out of range, rippin Sam, etc. travelling for feature winners/city winners?
It wouldn't be fair to judge their careers yet, using this method. We shouldn't be trying to calculate percentages using different formulas and criteria.
To my way of thinking, I reckon a good formula would be total litters over 3 years of age divided by every Group win by progeny.
Agree we shouldn't be judging young sires yet. I more meant how are these Fernando bale sons comparing with each other/their dad for city winners/feature winners (more so city winners)
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 16 Jul 2022 02:27
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
If he was Razordot on Global Greyhounds/AGF, he used to wait for 100 litters over 2yo before he thought they were meaningful
As usual you are all over it Sandro. Yes those figures sound spot on.
Only problem with comparing Current Sires with Sires from along time ago,comparing litters/pups to feature race winners,the stats can't be an accurate guide on who has the best percentage! These days there are ALOT more Group Races,and feature races on the Calendar for the current crop of Dogs to compete in.Id love to know the exact number of how many more Group Races,and feature races are around today,to say going back to the Glory days of Temlee for example!
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 16 Jul 2022 06:46
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That's a good point Shane.
BTW I'm expecting a huge night for the GOAT, brace yourself for more hero worshiping tonight.
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 16 Jul 2022 07:30
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But as well as there being more feature races to win there's also more dogs starting than ever. As sad as it is you used to hear stories of whole litters not making the track. Now no matter the ability them pups race in and out of tier 3 probably dragging down a sires stats
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 16 Jul 2022 07:36
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Paul Dicks wrote:
BTW I'm expecting a huge night for the GOAT, brace yourself for more hero worshiping tonight.
At least you admit it's a hero worship
I have nothing against Fernando bale but he can only work with the broodies he receives. He's not a miracle worker like any sire and he's always gonna have more success with She's A Pearl than her half sister that couldn't win a maiden on the non tab. He earned the best broodies by having success on the track which led to success at stud. We'll never know what some sires would produce with the same broodies
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 16 Jul 2022 07:47
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Wenty tonight 9 races, 6 wins and 2 seconds. Quinellaed the No Race when 10 lengths in front. Including a First Four and a Trifecta.
Ronald George Hunter Australia (Verified User) Posts 4319 Dogs 0 / Races 0 21 Jul 2022 12:17
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Another six winners at Dapto tonight.
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 23 Jul 2022 09:50
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Good night for the GOAT at Ipswich with 7 of the 8 Young Guns Finalists being sired or grandsired by FB. Throw in the winner of the Grand Prix and he has dominated again.
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