Not possible, Fernando Bale is the greatest sire ever

He's a good sire no doubt, but until he's got great grandchildren winning races he can't be put in the same category as Brett Lee, head honcho, awesome assassin, temlee etc.

How did you come up with that figure for FB?

Fernando is under different rules and regs , no bunnies on arms in comparison to yesteryears sires off lower percentages per pups

Fernando is an ability throwing sire not chase sire , they all offer different qualities, Fernando has the highest ability throwing trait of any sire 100%
His dogs can run around dreaming about what theyre eating that night while still running a length within trec standing for decades

Heres the reverse of things that are for him . Hes had the best of the best more then any other sire in the world ( justified of course ) think about that really !
Hes has triple or four times the volume of any other sire , if barcia wins 2 at wenty ferndando should be winning 6 , its no great feat ! Its expected

So not only is he receiving this tenfold volume on other sires its happening when a breeding is at an all time low ! Which further enhances any winning chance of GRP quality in the lime light !

On top of this he has runners that are a weight and size suited to all tracks now that are biult for squibs that run 450 mtr and have a hearty the last 70 but still win coz they led from the boxes and half the fields wipe out on these new genius tight turning high camber abortion tracks that have all but extinguished the strength bred dog ! Eg . Richmond !

Comparing any sire from 2022 to and older sire when they had advantages that we no longer have is incomparable, full stop

Laughable thread this is 99 percent of the time

Enjoy the hot air waffle , lol

And your waffle gets met with stats that proves otherwise and ya spit the dummy

No one hates him , we just call it how it is whoever the sire , unlike your weird love affair champ , we all love that when the topics at hand get lost on your behalf you attempt to turn it into a person v person or hate topic which no one even cares about , lol

I found 734 litters for 65 feature race winners (11.29). I didnt count NZ. If anyone wants to take the time to audit? Also, do others?

P.s Im not a hater of FB, nor any siremore interested in the sire that best suits a brood. I just find Peter Roses Winning Lines statistic interesting!

No stats have said otherwise. Darren has misinterpreted how Peter Rose did his percentages.

What about the muppets who are saying FB gets 10 times the broods of other sires or only sires speedy dogs that get in front and the rest of the field checks behind them or that his pups don't chase etc etc? Someone is talking BS here and it's not me.

I'm pretty sure the stat was calculated a different way, possibly for every feature race win not every feature race winner. Huge difference and not how Peter calculated his stats.

So Im a bent dick and a muppet ? That said 10 times the broods and pups dont chase ? And Im talking bullshit ?

Dickshead ! If u actually read what Poeple wrote you might actually learn something from the Poeple who work with them daily , do trials , talk to others , breakers etc rearers and so on , instead of sitting on a couch keeping vasoline in business every wed and sat night at wenty , with zero connection with any breed let alone a certain offspring is laughable !

I never said 10 times the broods ,I said what it is 3 to 4 fact !
I never said dont chase , I said hes an ability throwing sire and the best it at it! If you look close enough dickshead youll notice or spot how numerous elite dogs of his run 30.50 with a clean run then run 29.60 when one skips away on them , never spotted that muppet boy ?
Doesnt surprise me , you must have been dipping in the vaso and missed it ?

Only breeds speedy squibs ? Never said that , I said his offspring are well weighted and traits off early speed suit the tracks that are now only built for a tight turning squib breeds
Also fact , with the last of the strengths tracks wiped out eg Richmond ! Also fact !
And the results of these biult tracks are fields being wiped out and the leader skips away with no challenges left to have a decent race or see what the strength runners can do !
Also fact !

So dickshead muppet , his stats will never match up to be the all time greats as he is handicapped through volume which helps him but detracts also and anyones offspring from any sire will always be handicapped thru non use of live catches like gun law ostis had ? Also fact

Where is the bullshit muppet ,I defended him as much as outlayed the negs !

Corner shop closes soon dicks ,make sure you got your supply of Vaso tubs tonight and most importantly as long as your enjoying yourself bud as sad as every reported winning race of his sounds !

Fernando Bale 11.29
Barcia Bale 14.33 (only 1/2 way through)
Aussie Infrared 21
Zambora Brockie 22.71
Aston Dee Bee 22.78
Zipping Garth 63
Orson Allen 77

N.B. all the above sires have numerous feature race placegetters, finalists...multiple fast city wins!

Based on what I posted earlier...feature race winners / per litters born

Black Magic Opal 6.67 (albeit a small sample size)
Fernando Bale 11.29
Bombastic Shiraz 11.32
Barcia Bale 14.33 (only 1/2 way through)
Aussie Infrared 21
Zambora Brockie 22.71
Aston Dee Bee 22.78
Zipping Garth 63
Orson Allen 77