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Bruce Teague
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Mark,

I suppose I could report you for being off topic and abusive.

However, I would rather hear your definition of anti since I have been a participant for over 60 years and a writer and form analyst/supplier for the benefit of hundreds of customers for 30 years. Not to mention many readers who like what I write.

From you bio, I see your only interest these days is in breeding so I have some sympathy for you in these tough times. Not training and racing any more?


Mark Staines
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18 Dec 2021 08:36


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Mark Staines wrote:

The "Prophet Of Doom" is an ANTI !

Anti's should be barred from this place yet the "Prophet Of Doom" remains ?????





Bruce Teague
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For those interested in the Newcastle Cup and Cool Bourbski's heat win in record time and final win in much slower time - note that last night (after a 5 day break) it faded into 4th spot behind Stanley Road at Wenty.

In the same race Super Estrella followed up a record breaking win at Nowra 722m with a fading 3rd 8 days later to Stanley Road in 42.18.

Stanley had had a month off.

Like other states, NSW is in need of more sympathetic treatment of stayers, particularly as GRNSW is trying to boost this category at the moment. GA Racing Rules are the main problem but they are blindly copied by each state.

Sure, some dogs can overcome these tough tests, but most can't.



Mark Donohue
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18 Dec 2021 23:28


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2nd n 3rd in Newcastle Cup ran steady time in both Heat n Final, along with one or two others. The Winner still won! Youre not seeing it. Youre not a trainer so you dont know what goes into it.

Do you think the trainer of Stanley Road gave the dog a month off? No work? The fav, Super Estrella got into a bit of trouble and faded in straight. It still ran a good race. Seven days could have been ideal for her, but you oppose it (7 day back-ups) too. No wonder your Betting Analysis System (punting) flopped.


Mark Donohue
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I'll give credit where it's due. The Young GRC has a good program this Sunday evening with increased prize money. Well done to the non-TAB track and club.

Meanwhile, Double Bluff ran an enormous race and won at Albion Park ten days after the Newcastle Cup Final. A good selection of race for dog and trainer.


Mark Donohue
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I was able to get a hold of the `Chase' - Australia's only national print and online greyhound publication - February 2022 - Vol 10 - Issue 2. On page 24 it had an article written by Shane Stiff under the heading, `Shayne Stiff's guide for newcomers.'

I can tell you now, it was one of the most accurate and well written articles I have read. He wrote briefly about his involvement in greyhound racing and some advice he continues to give to others. It flowed so well that it was a pleasure and easy to read. I hope everyone gets a chance to read it.

Well done Shayne and Charmaine.

P.S. they had a few winners at Coonamble on Sunday.


David Deguara
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For those interested in reading the article Mark mentioned it can be accessed here, (February 2022, page 24).

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Mark Donohue
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Thanks David.


Mark Donohue
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This is what I wrote in 2018 to `Minimum Standards' where GRNSW asked us to comment. I stumbled upon it whilst in the process of deleting old emails. At the time, I could have added more and even tinkered with it, but there was a due date that was fast approaching. To comment any further now, would be a waste of time.

I hope you get a cuppa, sit down and have a good read, and feel free to comment. Like I wrote just before, I could have written more and the exercise wasn't to discredit any track or club, but to aid in the maintenance work. We have / had $31 million to spend on tracks. Unfortunately, some tracks won't be around for a make-over.

P.S. Taree will go loam.

Minimum Standard for Race Tracks

Now that the GRNSW owned track, The Gardens and the GBOTA affiliated tracks, Gosford, Wenty Park and Gunnedah have secured funding for works to be carried out, perhaps GRNSW can start attending to other tracks.

I have quickly looked at the minimum standards and find that it is incomplete. I dont understand why you have separated the standards for TAB and non-TAB tracks as some dogs will eventually race on both surfaces and at those different tracks. The minimum standard of a race track shouldnt be about prize money and status of track, but about the welfare of the dog. However, track surface, design of track and first bends at tracks are different and should be addressed.

Arguably, a grass surface is the better surface to race on. We once had all grass tracks, but we copied the Victorian Model because we didnt want to lose racing dates to heavy rain. Well, NSW is usually a very dry state, especially in the western, north-western and south-western parts of NSW. It depends on whether there is enough sunlight to dry out the rain on a grass track, geographical location and how often a club races on it that determines if a minimum standard can be maintained from week to week or month to month. A loam track is the same, but more maintenance is required.

If Wauchope were to receive twenty-six (26) TAB race meetings per year it wont need to be converted to loam because it would have enough time to recover between race meetings. The other two tracks either side of it, namely Taree and Kempsey, could race alternate weeks (which is what they pretty much do now), as far as racing every three weeks. They too wouldnt need to be converted to loam. They would need to be kept to the minimum standard for grass tracks.

It takes a lot of water to maintain a sand/loam track and they are not `all weather tracks. They do have wash-out meetings due to heavy rain.

Most tracks have their issues, but I find that Wauchope is generally well maintained and is usually safe because of its one turn design with a reasonable radius on its turns. It really is a `stand-out on the mid-north coast. Cessnock is arguably the best track in Australia because of its radius and big track design.

The other two tracks are good, but Taree has its `bend start over the 392m journey and they come `down from the boxes and there is interference from the start. Kempsey doesnt have that problem as there is plenty of time for dogs to get to the turn from the 350m boxes, that is from the back straight and the boxes are `flat with no `fall onto the track.

Armidale has a few problems. The first turn is too sharp and most dogs `run off the track. There is a bend start for the 440m race with some interference, and the 520m boxes are actually on the track. I pity wide runners looking at the lure coming down the home straight because one day a dog is going to hit the 520m boxes. An innocent bystander mentioned the same thing to me without even being prompted.

Tamworth track design is too tight. Even though it is a one turn track, the radius for the turn is too small. GRNSW should encourage Tamworth GRC to re-locate as quickly as possible and build a track similar to Cessnock or Wauchope (both one turn tracks) and incorporate a straight track as well. Im told Tamworth Council is very much interested in the concept and is willing to offer some land to construct a new track.

Gunnedah has its problems with the 440m boxes on the bend, with dogs coming down and onto the track from the boxes. The other three distances are good.

Coonabarabran and Coonamble appear fine, but the latter has had problems. Both have bend starts for one of the distances with some interference but nowhere as bad as Taree and Gunnedah. I havent been to Moree, but it seems okay and looks well maintained.

Dubbo is good as is Mudgee. There is a concern with Bathurst because of the bend start.

Lismore has an issue with its 420m bend start, but Casino and Grafton seem fine as well. I know that a million dollars has been given to Grafton to widen the track.

I wont comment on The Gardens and Gosford, but Maitland has a problem with dogs that race over the 400m. The first turn is a concern as the dogs move to their left and often squash at the first turn. The same with races over the 565m distance. They squash early and that interference puts half the field out of the race.

Muswellbrooks first turn for the 560m race needs better camber and they too have a 429m bend start where there is interference.

I used to race dogs south / south-west of Sydney. Potts Park has always been a trial track. Work has been done to it, but I cannot comment any further, except that it is a tight track. The only one down south that concerns me still is the 365m start at Nowra. Its a bend start and interference takes out half the field in the first twenty to forty metres.

Cheers,

Mark




Valerie Glover
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Mark when did you type this up,??sure you are aware some of these are gone : Bob Glover


Mark Donohue
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Hi Bob,

It was good to finally put a face to the posts the other day and thank you for saying, `hello'. I had seen you `around' but never knew....lol

First few words in my post that you refer to, indicated that I submitted it in 2018.

I could have done a better job, but was rushed for time to submit it.

I suppose your point is why did I post? Well, because theres enough $$$ to go around to fix most tracks and some are still viable racing tracks. If you reduce the number of tracks with different surfaces like grass tracks, then you reduce the dogs chances of them racing on their preferred surface. The same with design e.g one turn v two turn. Some perform better on different tracks n surfaces. Take the choice away, it reduces the chances of dogs performing to their best. We do it for distances, why not surfaces n design?

How many participants took it upon themselves to submit their opinion on Minimum Standards? Its still a pertinent subject; more so now due to welfare and safety being paramount.

Not one t bred track (130 ish in NSW) has closed in last five years. Yet, they are closing down greyhound ones.

Regards,
Mark


Mark Donohue
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How does everyone feel about the programming of races in NSW?

What do you think of the $75,000 race I believe is going to take place at Grafton?
What will the conditions be? I don't know. What do you think?

Should we have regional heats, semis and finals in the regions for dogs domiciled in the regions for say, three months prior to them being held?


Mark Staines
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If authorities don't address the rise of "WAYWARD HOUNDS" ASAP it's curtains for the Industry !!!!

A massive increase in FOL racing is a necessity NOW !!!!


David Deguara
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26 Mar 2022 07:20


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Mark,

The race to which you refer to is 'The Thunderbolt'.

Heats of The Thunderbolt will be staged across regional NSW (Wagga, Gunnedah, Bathurst, Gosford, Goulburn, Bulli, Richmond and Grafton), in late May and early June, with the semi-finals at Grafton on June 11 and the $75,000-to-the-winner final at Grafton over 350m June 19.

Whilst I have no idea what conditions/criteria, if any, there are pertaining to the heats, one issue I would have is if top quality, i.e. FFA 500m dogs (those dogs that raced regularly over the 500m), dropped back in distance in order to compete simply because they could. Some might consider that as a ridiculous statement or indeed thought process, but in keeping with what the "race" is, or what I believe the race has been created for, perhaps there should be conditions in place to "restrict" it to regular "short coursers".

For example, and I use the following dog solely as an example (no issue with the dog, nor it connections in anyway), but should a dog like - WOW be able to compete in the race?



David Deguara
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Mark Staines wrote:

If authorities don't address the rise of "WAYWARD HOUNDS" ASAP it's curtains for the Industry !!!!

A massive increase in FOL racing is a necessity NOW !!!!

Mark,

Whilst I thoroughly concur, it could also be argued that Industries controlling bodies don't do enough, or provide enough facilities at the educational stage in order to "focus" the dogs minds.


Mark Staines
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For sure David !
Unfortunately the minority are leading the industry astray !


Mark Donohue
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david deguara wrote:

Mark,

The race to which you refer to is 'The Thunderbolt'.

Heats of The Thunderbolt will be staged across regional NSW (Wagga, Gunnedah, Bathurst, Gosford, Goulburn, Bulli, Richmond and Grafton), in late May and early June, with the semi-finals at Grafton on June 11 and the $75,000-to-the-winner final at Grafton over 350m June 19.

What about regionals (heats, semis and finals) in the separate regions and greyhounds domiciled there for three months for them to compete?

Another condition is greyhounds who didn't qualify for the semis to race in consolation heats or straight out final over the other distance e.g. Heats over 440m but consolation for dogs missing a semi-final spot over 350m. Semis and Final to remain over 440m.




Mark Donohue
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Ive heard a rumour and I suggest its only a rumour, that GRNSW might consider closing Dapto n Nowra in the next couple of years.

Have you guys / gals down south heard anything?


Mark Staines
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If they don't address the "WAYWARD HOUNDS PROBLEM" the above rumours may come true.


Mark Donohue
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Trainers will have to travel further and compete with more nominations and many tracks in certain areas have many, many nominations already left over. IMO, we are slowly being squeezed.

It appears to me that any affiliated GBOTA track goes untouched.

One would have to agree that if the Tweed Heads application goes ahead (don't know if it is on flood-prone land but they did think of Murwillumbah a few years ago) then, Lismore would have to go.

There is a train of thought that Lismore and Casino could amalgamate, but why would Casino entertain the idea when they are in strong position on its own and I pretty sure they didn't suggest the idea.....

What are your thoughts?

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