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Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 14 Aug 2022 01:35
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1. Participation - attracting people to the sport. Apparently were booming with the young 18-35 punting demographic, but its not translating into ownership and participation. Why?
2. Centres of excellence - one stop shops. The thoroughbred in VIC lead the way on that.
3. New HQ - imo needs to be in the Doonside or nearby surrounding area. Where theres already a sporting theme well established. Its very accessible to all directions. But, the trots in Menangle and Melton lead the way showing HQ never needed to be in the inner city. As does Sandown and The Meadows.
4. Prize money structure & grading..I personally like the UK/Ire model of Open grade down to A10. Dogs need an extended racing life.
5. Rehoming - cant escape that one.
Joe Baldacchino Australia (Verified User) Posts 561 Dogs 6 / Races 2 14 Aug 2022 06:21
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Wayne Garner wrote:
Greyhound racing in NSW is dooomed Every other racing code owns land n tracks ect but poor old Greyhound racing Got stuck leasing land out or racing on council lands How many tracks are actually owned by a Greyhound club Lismore-richmond-gardens N if any one knows of any other I'd love to know what other land n tracks Greyhound racing actually own
As far as I am aware, Randwick and Rosehill are on Council land.
Joe Baldacchino Australia (Verified User) Posts 561 Dogs 6 / Races 2 14 Aug 2022 06:25
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Wayne Garner wrote:
Joe Baldacchino wrote:
Thirlmere trial track.
Look at the amount of trial tracks that was shit down in Sydney Metro over the last 30+ yrs Surly grnsw could have had hindsite into the future We lost Barrington's We lost ruso We lost liverpool
We lost Panania Now glengarry Even the old pw property at the oaks had a trial track on it And all could have been converted into a metro Sydney track
My reply re Thirlmere was to an earlier question. Fact is that work is about to commence on upgrading the trial track to GWIC Standards. All the trial tracks you have listed above were privately owned and selling the land to developers proved too lucrative an offer for their owners. Sydney metro area is expanding and there is no more land available at reasonable prices.
Wayne Garner Australia (Verified User) Posts 743 Dogs 26 / Races 16 14 Aug 2022 07:41
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Joe Baldacchino wrote:
Wayne Garner wrote:
Greyhound racing in NSW is dooomed Every other racing code owns land n tracks ect but poor old Greyhound racing Got stuck leasing land out or racing on council lands How many tracks are actually owned by a Greyhound club Lismore-richmond-gardens N if any one knows of any other I'd love to know what other land n tracks Greyhound racing actually own
As far as I am aware, Randwick and Rosehill are on Council land.
Rosehill is owned by the Australian turf club Randwick has a 99 yr lease signed in 2008 Menangle pk is owned by the NSW harness racing club Harold pk trots closed in 2010 A members vote on 26 October 2008 voted in favour of the sale of Harold Park, on the condition that the land be sold for a minimum of $150 million. On 10 December 2010 it was announced the site had been purchased by Mirvac for $185 million to be redeveloped for medium-density housing. Wpk will shut in 2027 I doubt nsw will ever have a city track again At least we still have city racing It might only be Dubbo city Lismore city Wagga city Ect ect ect
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3237 Dogs 6 / Races 0 14 Aug 2022 09:25
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Dubbo, Wagga, Lismore, etc are not cities; they are major regional towns.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 14 Aug 2022 11:28
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If thats the case Wayne. Then the ones in charge will have failed the industry massively! This game is full of potential, its forever tied into the other racing codes. Theres no reason why it cant prosper as well!
The ban was utter BS used to try and grab Wenty much earlier and for free, nothing else. They used the stupid knitting circle antis as a front to do it! Look at the other states, where the real stuff was found! No bans there!!!!! But, out of it comes an untouchable nature through leading the way of the other codes in animal welfare.
The one common problem with this game is mediocre running off the sport! El Caballo Blanco, privatisation of the TAB etc. hopefully that changes!!
Wayne Garner Australia (Verified User) Posts 743 Dogs 26 / Races 16 14 Aug 2022 16:14
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Mark Donohue wrote:
Dubbo, Wagga, Lismore, etc are not cities; they are major regional towns.
Lismore is a city in northeastern New South Wales, Australia and the main population centre in the City of Lismore local government area. Dubbo is a city in the Orana Region of New South Wales, Australia. Wagga Wagga is a city in New South Wales, Australia. Going by Wikipedia they are Same as Liverpool City Blacktown city Bankstown city ect ect So the reality of it all is after 2027 NSW will not have a city metropolitan city track for greyhounds. Richmond is the only hope
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 14 Aug 2022 22:39
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I am not sure how a City like Campbelltown would be receptive to a greyhound track but that's where I would be putting the next one if the money became available
You would have Richmond , which is central/west to to the Sydney Metro and Campbelltown which is south/west of Sydney
All easy to get to via Freeways now
Gosford could also act as a city track for the North, thus you could have 3 tracks offering city prizemoney on the North/West/South of Sydney metro
If we had 2 city meetings a week they could alternate between the 3 tracks and then they would have other dates which offer premium TAB prizemoney
Wayne Garner Australia (Verified User) Posts 743 Dogs 26 / Races 16 14 Aug 2022 23:03
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
I am not sure how a City like Campbelltown would be receptive to a greyhound track but that's where I would be putting the next one if the money became available
You would have Richmond , which is central/west to to the Sydney Metro and Campbelltown which is south/west of Sydney
All easy to get to via Freeways now
Gosford could also act as a city track for the North, thus you could have 3 tracks offering city prizemoney on the North/West/South of Sydney metro
If we had 2 city meetings a week they could alternate between the 3 tracks and then they would have other dates which offer premium TAB prizemoney
You got the job Sandro Ya hired Now to work out where that extra prize money comes from n how to get new participants into the sport n think where all the unraced retired dogs end up
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 14 Aug 2022 23:30
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Its a whole package Wayne
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3237 Dogs 6 / Races 0 14 Aug 2022 23:33
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Wayne Garner wrote:
Mark Donohue wrote:
Dubbo, Wagga, Lismore, etc are not cities; they are major regional towns.
Lismore is a city in northeastern New South Wales, Australia and the main population centre in the City of Lismore local government area. Dubbo is a city in the Orana Region of New South Wales, Australia. Wagga Wagga is a city in New South Wales, Australia. Going by Wikipedia they are Same as Liverpool City Blacktown city Bankstown city ect ect So the reality of it all is after 2027 NSW will not have a city metropolitan city track for greyhounds. Richmond is the only hope
I beg to differ and it's open to interpretation as the `rule of thumb' used to be 100,000 to be considered a city. Anyway, let's agree to disagree and move on from this subject because it doesn't take the previous subject any further.
In no particular order, my top five are:
1. Re-open Cessnock and Wauchope and fund them accordingly so that grass tracks have a place for greyhounds to race, especially ones that aren't suited to loam and / or two turn tracks. It could well reduce wastage or early retirement and GAP
2. Review and change the Grading Rules perhaps to include Grade 6 and 7.
3. Creative programming and scheduling of meetings. We shouldn't have a hundred nominations left over from each meeting.
4. Increase attendance monies for participants and review of prize money overall.
5. Reduce the number of GWIC Stewards at meetings from three (3) to two (2) thus saving on costs, and have one Chief Commissioner and one Deputy (part-time) Commissioner (not two), again saving on costs.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 15 Aug 2022 07:50
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The Hunter deserves a centre of excellence that is not located in a "FLOOD ZONE" Leave me right out of any Tracks associated with the N.S.W. GBOTA for they have lost the plot completely !
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3237 Dogs 6 / Races 0 15 Aug 2022 19:55
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Thankfully, the two mentioned above are independent. this morning I spotted a photo of Cessnocks finish line. So track is still being used for trialling.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 15 Aug 2022 20:40
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Can anyone put up a full list of names GRNSW, GBOTA anyone else that administer and run this sport? How accessible are they to participants...do you see them all readily at meetings across NSW?
Joe Baldacchino Australia (Verified User) Posts 561 Dogs 6 / Races 2 16 Aug 2022 06:25
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It has got to be Richmond. They have ample land. To buy sufficient land to build a decent track, kennelling, parking etc and its central to all comers.
Buying land around the Campbelltown area, or anywhere within a 50km radius of WP would be too costly and probably way out of our reach. Why then can't we all get together and develop Richmond as a hub?
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 16 Aug 2022 08:21
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To my knowledge Richmond are the only Club providing FOL Racing, the N.S.W. GBOTA doesn't want a bar of FOL Racing.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 16 Aug 2022 09:04
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Joe Baldacchino wrote:
It has got to be Richmond. They have ample land. To buy sufficient land to build a decent track, kennelling, parking etc and its central to all comers.
Buying land around the Campbelltown area, or anywhere within a 50km radius of WP would be too costly and probably way out of our reach. Why then can't we all get together and develop Richmond as a hub?
Not if the money became available
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 16 Aug 2022 09:33
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Yes under a Labor Government !!!
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3237 Dogs 6 / Races 0 18 Aug 2022 00:31
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Unfortunately, without knowing the truth of the matter and the facts surrounding it, I've been informed that there has been a sharp increase in positive swabs.
Could it be the result of the recent floods? You know, sick cows being sent to the knackeries after spending time in flooded waters? You know, teets under water causing mastitis, milk fever etc and possibly treated with antibiotics & pain killers? I'm sorry to read about it for both trainer and farmer.
The poor old dog trainers outside of the metro area could suffer. I hope everyone is okay. A positive swab is traumatic on it's own.
I was talking to someone the other day who knows Andrew Bell. He and family are struggling. So, Andrew .... we are thinking of you and you are not friendless. Keep going buddy. Well done to Ray Hadley for helping his cause.
Joe Baldacchino Australia (Verified User) Posts 561 Dogs 6 / Races 2 20 Aug 2022 06:23
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
Joe Baldacchino wrote:
It has got to be Richmond. They have ample land. To buy sufficient land to build a decent track, kennelling, parking etc and its central to all comers.
Buying land around the Campbelltown area, or anywhere within a 50km radius of WP would be too costly and probably way out of our reach. Why then can't we all get together and develop Richmond as a hub?