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Ian Bradshaw Australia (Verified User) Posts 251 Dogs 6 / Races 0 01 Dec 2017 08:06
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
Apart from those trainers that had an edge before live baiting was the big news and wanted no part of the FOL as it levelled up many greyhounds, the main complaint of the FOL was injuries sustained upon pulling up
Talking to my NZ friends the difference is in the lure system itself and the way it is brought to a stop
The FOL in NZ are run on Bramich Lures, when they switch off the pwer, it rolls to a stop and the dogs slow down with it into the back straight
Our lures have brakes on them and when they pull them up quickly that's when the crashes occur, plus we don't have adequate barriers(in NSW at least) to stop a dog going over the rail and being caught by the cable
I am an advocate of it, I believe it would regenerate and lengthen the career of many greyhounds that would normally be scrapped for non-chasing or fighting, but we need to seriously look at the capabilities of the lure drivers and their ability to bring the lure to a gentle halt over 100-200m rather than stop it dead in the catching pen
Here are video replays of Christchurch NZ races today.
The lure looks better-- no hoop arm, and no bundle of rags.
As for the "stacks on the mill" finishes, I wonder whether it is better or worse than our catching pens??
Race 2 has a couple of runners showing no interest in the race.
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 01 Dec 2017 19:37
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Replying to my own question - SKY showed wonderful pictures of the Geelong semaphore board and none of the FOL, assuming it was used. Policy decisions may be taken with the help of someone's iphone.
NZ film always shows the FOL action.
Ian Bradshaw Australia (Verified User) Posts 251 Dogs 6 / Races 0 01 Dec 2017 21:09
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Bruce Teague wrote:
Replying to my own question - SKY showed wonderful pictures of the Geelong semaphore board and none of the FOL, assuming it was used. Policy decisions may be taken with the help of someone's iphone.
NZ film always shows the FOL action.
The policy decision would be best based on the feedback from those involved- the catchers, trainers, vets, stewards.
Do SKY viewers really want to , or even need to, see the FOL "action".
I would consider it detrimental to the image of the sport.
Paul Wheeler Australia (Verified User) Posts 329 Dogs 8 / Races 0 01 Dec 2017 22:43
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I would consider it detrimental to the image of the sport.
How has it negatively affected NZ ? Doesn't seem to be detrimental in any way there (NZ) !
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 01 Dec 2017 23:22
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ian bradshaw wrote:
Bruce Teague wrote:
Replying to my own question - SKY showed wonderful pictures of the Geelong semaphore board and none of the FOL, assuming it was used. Policy decisions may be taken with the help of someone's iphone.
NZ film always shows the FOL action.
The policy decision would be best based on the feedback from those involved- the catchers, trainers, vets, stewards.
Do SKY viewers really want to , or even need to, see the FOL "action".
I would consider it detrimental to the image of the sport.
Ian
Does the image of a lion mauling a zebra on a wildlife nature show bother you too?
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5958 Dogs 8 / Races 0 02 Dec 2017 00:57
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Bruce Teague wrote:
.... SKY showed wonderful pictures of the Geelong semaphore board and none of the FOL, assuming it was used........
I was told this morning by someone there that it was used Bruce
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 02 Dec 2017 10:39
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steven martin wrote:
Saturday night at Cannington WA, which is the premier race meeting of the week could only manage 9 races, with 5 of them were over 380m. The remaining races were all over the 520m with only 3 carrying city prizemoney.
Looks like WA has reached the same levels as Queensland.
Following on from last weeks Cannington WA PREMIER meeting. 10 races 1 x 715m 3 x 520m 6 x 380m
4 races (obviously the top 4) carried city class prizemoney.
I hope you guys over there are keeping an eye on the prizemoney (city) treasure chest.
Ian Bradshaw Australia (Verified User) Posts 251 Dogs 6 / Races 0 02 Dec 2017 21:21
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
ian bradshaw wrote:
Bruce Teague wrote:
Replying to my own question - SKY showed wonderful pictures of the Geelong semaphore board and none of the FOL, assuming it was used. Policy decisions may be taken with the help of someone's iphone.
NZ film always shows the FOL action.
The policy decision would be best based on the feedback from those involved- the catchers, trainers, vets, stewards.
Do SKY viewers really want to , or even need to, see the FOL "action".
I would consider it detrimental to the image of the sport.
Ian
Does the image of a lion mauling a zebra on a wildlife nature show bother you too?
Sandro,
My take on showing vision of the FOL with 8 greyhounds, piled on top of each other, together with 8 handlers involved in trying to extricate their dogs from the ensuing scrum, has nothing to do with wildlife nature shows.
The level of entertainment of that vision is about the same as watching Worlds Funniest Home Videos. eg. Somebody falling off a skateboard, or a baby eating an icecream.
The point I am making is...
Once the field has passed the winning post,don't waste the viewer's time with vision of something that does nothing to enhance the image of greyhound racing.
Go straight to the semaphore board, where the viewer's interest is now focused.
Con Reivers Australia (Verified User) Posts 274 Dogs 5 / Races 0 02 Dec 2017 22:22
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ian bradshaw wrote:
Sandro Bechini wrote:
Apart from those trainers that had an edge before live baiting was the big news and wanted no part of the FOL as it levelled up many greyhounds, the main complaint of the FOL was injuries sustained upon pulling up
Talking to my NZ friends the difference is in the lure system itself and the way it is brought to a stop
The FOL in NZ are run on Bramich Lures, when they switch off the pwer, it rolls to a stop and the dogs slow down with it into the back straight
Our lures have brakes on them and when they pull them up quickly that's when the crashes occur, plus we don't have adequate barriers(in NSW at least) to stop a dog going over the rail and being caught by the cable
I am an advocate of it, I believe it would regenerate and lengthen the career of many greyhounds that would normally be scrapped for non-chasing or fighting, but we need to seriously look at the capabilities of the lure drivers and their ability to bring the lure to a gentle halt over 100-200m rather than stop it dead in the catching pen
Here are video replays of Christchurch NZ races today.
The lure looks better-- no hoop arm, and no bundle of rags.
As for the "stacks on the mill" finishes, I wonder whether it is better or worse than our catching pens??
Race 2 has a couple of runners showing no interest in the race.
I am not to sure Sandro from the video of the Christchurch races there seems to be some sort of braking system in use
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 02 Dec 2017 23:51
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The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Works well elsewhere, so why not at the dogs? Hiding information has become a standard procedure in greyhound administrations.
Having said that, we still don't know if it was SKY's own idea or instructions from GRV or the club. More mysteries!
Incidentally, as a viewer, I want to see if FOL is handled well or not.
Mathew Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 48 Dogs 0 / Races 0 03 Dec 2017 09:31
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The general punter would not care less what happens as they pull up onto the lure, but most trainers and owners would or should be very interested to see how their dogs get through that stage of the race. I always have catchers that can inform me if any incidents that occur in the pen and would hope to do the same if the Fol is introduced
Mark Schlegel Australia (Verified User) Posts 3168 Dogs 9 / Races 5 06 Dec 2017 04:52
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4x meetings in VIC
Full fields at Bendigo Sale has 11 empty boxes (includes races with no reserves) Cranbourne has 5 empty boxes (includes races with no reserves) Meadows had 7 empty boxes (includes races with no reserves)
The above doesn't allow for multiple races with the same dogs as reserves.
Mathew Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 48 Dogs 0 / Races 0 06 Dec 2017 08:39
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I bet there was a heap of maidens nominated and no races put on for them even if they could provide full feilds with reserves , Was told maidens are not a priority unless it's an advertised event so the graders will put races other then maidens on with no reserves full of dogs that are already engaged in race in the days prior to that meeting so further scratchings will lead to smaller feilds again No wonder people scratch their heads with how this industry is being run
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 22 Dec 2017 03:07
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meadows Wednesday very light on , and only 11 races , and a very hot day , so more scratching's
Brett Margerison Australia (Verified User) Posts 690 Dogs 16 / Races 0 22 Dec 2017 05:52
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Yet Warragul Thursday plenty of dogs didnt get runs...
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 22 Dec 2017 09:52
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Brett Margerison wrote:
Yet Warragul Thursday plenty of dogs didnt get runs...
400 meter dogs verses 500 metre dgs
Michael Peter Martin New Zealand (Verified User) Posts 75 Dogs 0 / Races 0 22 Dec 2017 19:42
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con reivers wrote:
ian bradshaw wrote:
Sandro Bechini wrote:
Apart from those trainers that had an edge before live baiting was the big news and wanted no part of the FOL as it levelled up many greyhounds, the main complaint of the FOL was injuries sustained upon pulling up
Talking to my NZ friends the difference is in the lure system itself and the way it is brought to a stop
The FOL in NZ are run on Bramich Lures, when they switch off the pwer, it rolls to a stop and the dogs slow down with it into the back straight
Our lures have brakes on them and when they pull them up quickly that's when the crashes occur, plus we don't have adequate barriers(in NSW at least) to stop a dog going over the rail and being caught by the cable
I am an advocate of it, I believe it would regenerate and lengthen the career of many greyhounds that would normally be scrapped for non-chasing or fighting, but we need to seriously look at the capabilities of the lure drivers and their ability to bring the lure to a gentle halt over 100-200m rather than stop it dead in the catching pen
Here are video replays of Christchurch NZ races today.
The lure looks better-- no hoop arm, and no bundle of rags.
As for the "stacks on the mill" finishes, I wonder whether it is better or worse than our catching pens??
Race 2 has a couple of runners showing no interest in the race.
I am not to sure Sandro from the video of the Christchurch races there seems to be some sort of braking system in use
Obviously you guys can watch the action at the lure stop on NZ races but they are not actually shown here in NZ. I think they stopped showing that a few years ago as part of their overreaction to the few screaming heads. The replays we watch post racetime do show them but not live.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 30 Jan 2018 09:53
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This week at Wentworth Park it's a big night. It's the finals of the NSW DERBY / FUTURITY.
A night that's right up there with the best of them.
Through nobody's fault but the boffins that no best (because they are the ones that introduced stupid breeding rules that everyone in the industry who had experience, knew would stuff everything), we now see 6 of the 10 races that night that can't even field reserves...& 2 of those races have vacant boxes.
And for the first time since maybe the 60's or 50's, there's not even a 720m races on such a special night.
Thanks, boffins.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 30 Jan 2018 10:22
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steven martin wrote:
This week at Wentworth Park it's a big night. It's the finals of the NSW DERBY / FUTURITY.
A night that's right up there with the best of them.
Through nobody's fault but the boffins that no best (because they are the ones that introduced stupid breeding rules that everyone in the industry who had experience, knew would stuff everything), we now see 6 of the 10 races that night that can't even field reserves...& 2 of those races have vacant boxes.
And for the first time since maybe the 60's or 50's, there's not even a 720m races on such a special night.
Thanks, boffins.
Stevo, The best way to describe what has gone on over the last 3 years is..."A Comedy of Errors". Sounds like a good title for a play. What's even more daunting is that this type of incompetence, ducking, diving, swerving, and flippant pandering is becoming the norm for politicians rule.
The whole system is bonkers.
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3237 Dogs 6 / Races 0 30 Jan 2018 19:13
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So right Mick and Steve.
We have to vote the Coalition out in March 2019, limit the GBOTA's influence on the industry in NSW, and not allow the AJP (Animal Justice Party) and AA, anywhere near parliament. The days of having only fairy floss and a kids slide at a major event is long gooooone!
Sometimes, I feel we as participants are fighting at a few fronts. RSPCA and GRNSW need to do their jobs that they are paid extremely well to do, as well as for GRNSW to consult the industry participants (not just the GBOTA) and LISTEN TO THEM ! It's not rocket science.
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