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Roger Spry United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 69 Dogs 0 / Races 0 09 Feb 2018 07:56
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mandurah 9th feb 4 races cancelled due to insufficient noms
not a 640 m race , that is getting as rare as rocking horse manure.
shortage of dogs shortage of staying races
restriction on breeders may ruin any chance of putting on a full race card in the future.
i list a few brood bitches from some of the best establishments in the world of greyhound breeding that produced very high quality stock after having up to 10 litters
1. farloe dancer 10 litters 2 farloe oyster 8 3 farloe dingle 7 4 razyldazl pearl 7 5 lughill rose 7 6 sheila at last 7 7 last landing 7 8 simply vintage 7 9 april merry 6 10 skipping chick 6 11 pinhead 8 12 quaterland hope 6 13 laughil lass 6
the great stud dog HONDO BLACK was from his dams 6th litter
with all the red tape in place it is now down hill all the way.
i hope it gets better, but at the moment i just do not see it.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 10 Feb 2018 07:47
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10th Feb 2018 Wentworth Park
10 races.
2 x Golden Easter Egg Preludes - full fields + res
1 x 2-5wins Final - full field + res
7 x races that have "BOX 5" vacant in all.
After scratchings.
Just 3 full fields. 1 x 4 dog field 1 x 6 dog field. 5 x 7 dog fields.
& this is for $4800 to the winner & the best GRADED RACE is a 4/5th Grade. This is the PREMIER NIGHT of racing in NSW.
YEAH...The dogooders got it right EH. You wouldn't listen would u (D1ckh3@ds).
It's time you invited some EXPERIENCE GREYHOUND PEOPLE to your lunchtime "Seafood" smorgasbords, as I think you need some help with digesting what's on the table.
The next 24 months will get worse in EVERY STATE, except Victoria which I've explained before...but that's the big plan.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 16 Feb 2018 02:34
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As I explained over 2 years ago if the stupid 80% 60% 60% breeding rule was not changed the industry was going to struggle...& country tracks will be the first to suffer. We've now reached those cross-roads.
What was once known as a "Giveaways" (a dog that had no future on the TAB circuit) are now NOT given-away & it's now evident that "Maiden Races" are becoming smaller in field size EVERYWHERE...that's if they can get one.
Cairns - No maiden races. Rockhampton - No maiden races. Bundaberg - 1 x 5 dog field. Capalaba - 1 x 4 dog field. Townsville - 1 x 6, 1 x 7 dog field. Mudgee - 2 x 5 dog fields. Darwin - 1 x mixed (4 mdns).
& if you have a scout-around most meetings this week that are north or west of Mexico, 2 maiden races will be the TOPS at most venues where 4 was once the norm.
Thanks boffins. We are now in the sh1t & it's about to get deeper.
Maybe one of the "Betting Agency's" could run a tab on "How many race meetings will be cancelled by the end of the year, due to a shortage of nominations". Whatever that figure ends up being, it'll be DOUBLE next year.
Nicholas Arena Australia (Verified User) Posts 233 Dogs 10 / Races 0 16 Feb 2018 05:36
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No one is listening Steve - the issues have been as obvious as a runaway train - you can only assume the Administrators simply don't care. The only activity they seemingly spend their days on is regulating in the name of Welfare.The reality is the biggest welfare issue ever to confront the industry is a result of over regulation .It is called; "Greyhounds in Retirements" wasting away in yards,because they are either retired from racing or do not have the ability/chase instincts to make it to the track. These dogs cannot be re homed or given away - there are literally hundreds , albeit well cared for and fed dogs, living a live akin to incarceration,living idle boring lives - the cost to maintain these dogs will keep rising forcing more participants out of the industry.
All because some microphone hugging egotists have promised utopia to the activists and government, both of whom knew the attempts would fail,just as we are seeing now.
Well done take a bow. those paid to represent the participants.At least we can take solace from the fact that when the industry becomes irrelevant/closes they won't be able to boast achievement on their CV.
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 17 Feb 2018 03:18
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Steve,
Maybe or maybe not. Vic is the prime beneficiary of PAW production which is planned to drop by 50% or more. Vic may be helped by some immigrants from NSW but that is in the lap of the gods.
Many Vic fields are light on, including the city meetings on Wed and Sun. The prime meetings include many manufactured and low grade races which used not to be there.
The supposed breeding fix - reduced charges - seem insufficient to have a major, or any, effect. TBA.
Vic continues its obsession with VicBred races and bonuses everywhere which will not help fuller fields. There is no evidence that this policy has ever helped field numbers or breeding activity. Neither has the odd boost from Gov grants. They make speeches about how wonderful each of these measures are but they never produce anything. Anyway discriminatory access to opportunities is hardly a good way to conduct any business. And it is unlikely to benefit Vic owners and trainers as the cash involved would otherwise go to higher prize money for all races.
The same has applied to direct breeding incentives over the years. Every state now has them so any claimed benefit would be cancelled out. In any event, breeding stats will always be confusing because of the domicile of the dam might vary.
Not one authority has shown any inclination to uncover the real reasons for breeding downturns (ie over 15 years). Not one bothered to investigate the false claims about supposed "overbreeding" so how could you trust them about anything.
WA fields are calamitous at the moment - partly because they rely on imports from the east to maintain numbers (and quality).
So, yes, it is a national problem but it includes Victoria.
I believe there are things which can be done but not while we are talking to a brick wall.
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 17 Feb 2018 03:28
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If the industry in NSW is contracting why are their more jobs in the administrative side? Its just another way to choke us out of the game.
Mathew Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 48 Dogs 0 / Races 0 17 Feb 2018 11:31
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Bruce Teague wrote:
Steve,
Maybe or maybe not. Vic is the prime beneficiary of PAW production which is planned to drop by 50% or more. Vic may be helped by some immigrants from NSW but that is in the lap of the gods.
Many Vic fields are light on, including the city meetings on Wed and Sun. The prime meetings include many manufactured and low grade races which used not to be there.
The supposed breeding fix - reduced charges - seem insufficient to have a major, or any, effect. TBA.
Vic continues its obsession with VicBred races and bonuses everywhere which will not help fuller fields. There is no evidence that this policy has ever helped field numbers or breeding activity. Neither has the odd boost from Gov grants. They make speeches about how wonderful each of these measures are but they never produce anything. Anyway discriminatory access to opportunities is hardly a good way to conduct any business. And it is unlikely to benefit Vic owners and trainers as the cash involved would otherwise go to higher prize money for all races.
The same has applied to direct breeding incentives over the years. Every state now has them so any claimed benefit would be cancelled out. In any event, breeding stats will always be confusing because of the domicile of the dam might vary.
Not one authority has shown any inclination to uncover the real reasons for breeding downturns (ie over 15 years). Not one bothered to investigate the false claims about supposed "overbreeding" so how could you trust them about anything.
WA fields are calamitous at the moment - partly because they rely on imports from the east to maintain numbers (and quality).
So, yes, it is a national problem but it includes Victoria.
I believe there are things which can be done but not while we are talking to a brick wall.
Mathew Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 48 Dogs 0 / Races 0 17 Feb 2018 11:43
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Victoria has relied on a lot of hobby breeders that could breed and Rear a litter or two in the many country towns in the state, this has been obliterated by over regulations ,complete uncertainty about where the industry is at ,and lack of leadership from the top,they need to start looking after our interest as a sport not appease groups that want us shut down The fact that GA tried to ram through its latest rule changes without any consultation with participants is nearly as frightening as Grv agreeing to it until owners and trainers kicked back and now we have the chance to respond to some of the most ludicrous rule changes of all time But it's all good they say we will listen Not likely
Roger Spry United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 69 Dogs 0 / Races 0 26 Mar 2018 03:39
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Not just the cut back in breeding causing the shortage in WA
21st March race 2 Everything Broken Tarsal. dead 21st March race 5 Pheodora . broken Tarsal. dead
23rd March race 3 Tim Berr . broken Tarsal. dead. 23rd March race 6 Fancy seeing you. broken Tarsal. 90 days 23rd March race 8 Whos got it broken Tarsal. dead
if Alarm bells are not ringing by now they should be.
the rate of injuries in recent times is of great concern. in over 55 years of greyhound racing i have never seen the likes of this before. this has put me off buying any more hounds in the future.
Glenn Hatton Australia (Verified User) Posts 4852 Dogs 92 / Races 98 26 Mar 2018 07:00
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mathew wright wrote:
Victoria has relied on a lot of hobby breeders that could breed and Rear a litter or two in the many country towns in the state, this has been obliterated by over regulations ,complete uncertainty about where the industry is at ,and lack of leadership from the top,they need to start looking after our interest as a sport not appease groups that want us shut down The fact that GA tried to ram through its latest rule changes without any consultation with participants is nearly as frightening as Grv agreeing to it until owners and trainers kicked back and now we have the chance to respond to some of the most ludicrous rule changes of all time But it's all good they say we will listen Not likely
Very good point.
Nsw govt says it wanted to save the country dog scene which was full of hobby breeders/trainers....but then they & other states slap ridiculous rules on top of rules to us. They havent made any sense for a long time. Its plain as day to me that Scott Parker & other CEOs in greyhound racing are introducing rules to save their own jobs. A short term & selfish solution that wont end well for any greyhound particpant.
The question is...why cant we do anything about it??? These people who are making decisions on our behalf are not being held accountable at all.
Mathew Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 48 Dogs 0 / Races 0 26 Mar 2018 11:37
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And another step towards the end with the grv floating a greyhound socialisation focus group which will be run by the university of Melbourne . Reading between the lines they want us to do a study on treating greyhounds as pets whilst rearing them then with a wave of a wand turn them in to competitive racing greyhounds that people can rely on to bet and create the turn over required to sustain the industry and ultimately pay their wages and then when they retire will just transform back to the perfect pet I wonder how much the university is making out of this We are becoming a cash cow for whatever survey or means test out there And it's no surprise her whole faculty at the uni revolves around animal welfare practices
Trevor John Rhodes Australia (Verified User) Posts 81 Dogs 0 / Races 11 26 Mar 2018 20:55
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The secret to socializing a litter especially a diverse litter will be pretty simple to get a handle on, because breeders, trainers and breakers are basically a homogeneous group who all think and act the same. Just read any of the activist led reports.
Half a page of bullet points should cover this study. That'll generate a neat set of thity or forty new rules.
Cricket coaches and administrators will be invited to attend.
They could invite the odd AFL footballer, ex Olympians, a few politicians, unionists, ex police members, CEO's, old punters, writers and movie executives to offer their expertise in immediately adapting to societies norms after being highly trained and performing in above average careers.
Why didn't someone think of a new set of rules for all of the above who drifted away from society's expectations.
Record numbers of greyhound adoptions of dogs mostly bred and reared prior to any push to "socialize by rules" show there's probably not much wrong with current methods. The improvement in adoption rates has come from improved re education rather than early education.
Early socialization is essential for pet puppies because their job is to be a pet so they need to perform this function from the day they are sold. When their failure rate is zero, none are abandoned and the RSPCA death row is empty then they might have a case to study and further regulate us.
$50 travelling if I produce a receipt will they give me another pineapple for the trip home?
Charles W Mizzi Australia (Verified User) Posts 684 Dogs 1 / Races 1 27 Mar 2018 00:31
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Nicholas Arena wrote:
No one is listening Steve - the issues have been as obvious as a runaway train - you can only assume the Administrators simply don't care. The only activity they seemingly spend their days on is regulating in the name of Welfare.The reality is the biggest welfare issue ever to confront the industry is a result of over regulation .It is called; "Greyhounds in Retirements" wasting away in yards,because they are either retired from racing or do not have the ability/chase instincts to make it to the track. These dogs cannot be re homed or given away - there are literally hundreds , albeit well cared for and fed dogs, living a live akin to incarceration,living idle boring lives - the cost to maintain these dogs will keep rising forcing more participants out of the industry.
All because some microphone hugging egotists have promised utopia to the activists and government, both of whom knew the attempts would fail,just as we are seeing now.
Well done take a bow. those paid to represent the participants.At least we can take solace from the fact that when the industry becomes irrelevant/closes they won't be able to boast achievement on their CV.
Yes they will......they will bullshit and lie. Just like the anti's and Greens.
Dan McDonald Australia (Verified User) Posts 402 Dogs 9 / Races 0 27 Mar 2018 05:22
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mathew wright wrote:
And another step towards the end with the grv floating a greyhound socialisation focus group which will be run by the university of Melbourne . Reading between the lines they want us to do a study on treating greyhounds as pets whilst rearing them then with a wave of a wand turn them in to competitive racing greyhounds that people can rely on to bet and create the turn over required to sustain the industry and ultimately pay their wages and then when they retire will just transform back to the perfect pet I wonder how much the university is making out of this We are becoming a cash cow for whatever survey or means test out there And it's no surprise her whole faculty at the uni revolves around animal welfare practices
How many winners has the University of Melbourne trained? Probably the same as the Working Dog know-it-alls forced upon NSW, NONE! I am happy to listen to people who have proven their theories but none of these dills have any idea. Where is the Working Dog mob now? Took their money and ran, never to be heard of again. What a surprise!
Nathan Absalom United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 128 Dogs 0 / Races 0 27 Mar 2018 06:35
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"Where is the Working Dog mob now? Took their money and ran, never to be heard of again."
If only that were true....
Robert Morris Australia (Verified User) Posts 695 Dogs 0 / Races 0 27 Mar 2018 06:48
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My only comment on early socialisation is that cat-friendly pups will not make very good racing greyhounds.
Dan McDonald Australia (Verified User) Posts 402 Dogs 9 / Races 0 27 Mar 2018 07:12
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nathan absalom wrote:
"Where is the Working Dog mob now? Took their money and ran, never to be heard of again."
If only that were true....
Are they still kicking around? They took $75,000 of our money, please correct me if I'm wrong as I haven't read a thing about them since. That money was ours, it could have been directed to increased prize money. If I had cattle dogs I would be happy to be lectured by them, but I train greyhounds and deserve to be lectured by successful greyhound experts.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 27 Mar 2018 10:35
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Dan McDonald wrote:
nathan absalom wrote:
"Where is the Working Dog mob now? Took their money and ran, never to be heard of again."
If only that were true....
Are they still kicking around? They took $75,000 of our money, please correct me if I'm wrong as I haven't read a thing about them since. That money was ours, it could have been directed to increased prize money. If I had cattle dogs I would be happy to be lectured by them, but I train greyhounds and deserve to be lectured by successful greyhound experts.
I hear they have been recommended to be independent breeding advisers to the Greyhound authorities. We might get multi task dogs out of it... That would be good.
Dan McDonald Australia (Verified User) Posts 402 Dogs 9 / Races 0 27 Mar 2018 19:19
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What a scam, let's pay them a bit more. Now they're breeding experts, at the end of the day they'll advise to breed best to best then ride off into the sunset with our money again.
Mathew Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 48 Dogs 0 / Races 0 28 Mar 2018 10:48
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I see the Greens here in vic failed to back the opposition for an further enquiry into the rorts for votes drama Andrews has shown he will throw anyone and everyone under the bus to stay in power He is becoming this states worst ,most expensive and more importantly dangerous premier we will see .he lies cheats and spins the truth at all costs God only knows what deal he has struck with greens for their support on this coz they are losing ground and are desperate to get back on track These dodgy labour people including the racing minister keep throwing the ombudsman report back at us stating nothing wrong was done But what they fail to tell us is none of them complied when asked or plead the fifth so it's hard to find fault when they simply refused to answer the questions they should Then the ones that did speak were stimied by our fearless leader Dan as he proceeded to spend over 1 million in tax payers money to keep the findings suppressed Yeah they did nothing wrong
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