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Michael Geraghty
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30 Jul 2017 09:42


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Ryan Vanderwert wrote:

Michael Geraghty wrote:

So 60% of that 40% WON"T be in the QLD racing pool in the very near future.

That's 24% and I dont see it that way at all. It may be that the quality may be reduced for a time, just depends on how the ptb in Qld want to proceed, from here.

What I'm saying the product is quite good as it is today, the integrity of the sport is being upheld and if the ptb decide to take up the challenge, there is an opportunity for Qld greyhound racing to be promoted to the country and therefore make it's mark . That's what I know from watching racing there for the last 2.5 months.

You've been hammered by the southern states in the past, in my view here's your states chance to do something.

I agree we have the potential and with a one turn track we can be much better,
What I'm saying is that QLD does not breed enough at PRESENT to accommodate 7 days of racing...it relies on NSW supplying 40%.
Qld, like all other states has breeding reductions of 60%.
We will not be able to rely on NSW making up the short fall as they are in the same boat, so we have a diabolical situation in the near future UNLESS the PTB turn it around NOW.

" It may be that the quality may be reduced for a time."
40% of 7 days racing is 2.8 days of racing a week.



Ryan Vanderwert
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30 Jul 2017 09:53


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james saunders wrote:

Ryan the whole industry revolves around people stumping up thousands of dollars with a real live chance of no returns producing the stock for trainers to train betters to bet on and admin to administer but they have left and I get this funny feeling many of you guys don't get it.There gone and so are the dogs in two years.

Once again Jamie that depends on what the ptb want to promote and how they go about it.

The rest you speak of is a human condition called courage and how much each individual possesses and how far they are willing to go for the cause. Once again if the sport is promoted as it shld be there will possibly be others coming in..........the people who have left are a huge loss but not irreplaceable.

I wld also stress how important it is that these new people are not exploited by experienced people in the industry.
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I'm not saying it's an easy task Michael, but it's a gr8 opportunity for Qld.

ps. I hope you mean an additional one turn track as well as Albion


Michael Geraghty
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30 Jul 2017 10:16


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"I'm not saying it's an easy task Michael, but it's a gr8 opportunity for Qld.

ps. I hope you mean an additional one turn track as well as Albion"

Good intentions, Ryan, but you really need to live here to understand the wonderful world we live in up here.

We have been waiting for the gr8 opportunity for 8 YEARS!

As for Albion Park, that is a sad and miserable story.
Too complicated to go into, but as we speak, Albion is being tugged from pillar to post, by everyone except the Greyhounds.
Albion Park Greyhounds will be no more unless God intervenes.




Ryan Vanderwert
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30 Jul 2017 10:33


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Michael Geraghty wrote:

........As for Albion Park, that is a sad and miserable story.
Too complicated to go into, but as we speak, Albion is being tugged from pillar to post, by everyone except the Greyhounds.
Albion Park Greyhounds will be no more unless God intervenes.

geezus that's the best dog track in Aus atm, that's worth saving!


Michael Geraghty
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30 Jul 2017 11:29


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Ryan Vanderwert wrote:

Michael Geraghty wrote:

........As for Albion Park, that is a sad and miserable story.
Too complicated to go into, but as we speak, Albion is being tugged from pillar to post, by everyone except the Greyhounds.
Albion Park Greyhounds will be no more unless God intervenes.

geezus that's the best dog track in Aus atm, that's worth saving!

Ummm, that's funny.

Apart from that, I'm all ears...what's the plan?



Ryan Vanderwert
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30 Jul 2017 14:32


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why ?
depends on what they are saying is wrong with it


James Saunders
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30 Jul 2017 21:09


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Breeding dogs in this current environment is perceived a bad investment and many have taken that view.Hopefully these NEW people you talk of get involved in this industry quick.


Terry Jordan
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30 Jul 2017 21:16


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Back on Topic, just read this months "Chase" paper, page 47!
Qld breeding stats- June2017 4 LITTERS! ONLY! producing 20 pups

Can the PTB at RQ read? and get of their Sofa's and start working to get this Industry back on track!


Terry Jordan
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30 Jul 2017 21:26


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Michael Geraghty wrote:

Albion Park Greyhounds will be no more unless God intervenes.


YOU CALLED ME MICHAEL! WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU MY SON?


Michael Geraghty
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30 Jul 2017 22:11


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Ryan Vanderwert wrote:

why ?
depends on what they are saying is wrong with it

To get some understanding you should read the last 10 pages of the Qld Grey racing thread.
To get a FULL understanding, you might want to read ALL of it...the whole 600 odd pages.


Michael Geraghty
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30 Jul 2017 22:23


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Terry Jordan wrote:

Michael Geraghty wrote:

Albion Park Greyhounds will be no more unless God intervenes.


YOU CALLED ME MICHAEL! WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU MY SON?

I want an ARK please. Enough room to house my doggies, enough food and beverages to last until the next life.
I would like you to then open the skies and let it pour until the cleansing is complete.
Then start again and GET IT RIGHT, because you stuffed up this chapter.

Oh, I forgot...can I please have 2 Thai princesses to have as company, please?
An ark can be a lonely and confusing place sometimes.


Mark Donohue
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30 Jul 2017 22:46


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Terry Jordan wrote:

Back on Topic, just read this months "Chase" paper, page 47!
Qld breeding stats- June2017 4 LITTERS! ONLY! producing 20 pups

Can the PTB at RQ read? and get of their Sofa's and start working to get this Industry back on track!


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Terry,
Like NSW the authority and Govt don't really care. The authority will be guided by the Govt and the Govt by the voters. Pick a political party that will back you and you back them, and doors will open and ears will listen. There is no better time than the current time to vote for a minority party (SFF) in your State as well as mine because they'll hold a tremendous amount of power if it's a close election as it more than likely will be. Ring them and see if they're standing any candidates. The Seat of Orange in Nsw is a classic example. ATM, it's the number one tourist destination for politicians.



Terry Jordan
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You are 100% correct Mark! I will vote for the SFF if they stand a Candidate in my electorate? Greyhound Central! (Nth. Rivers) Many Country Party voters here are disenchanted with this Bogus Govt!
Many have stated they will not vote for them again! Who they vote for is ???. And yes the NSW-Racing Authority is top heavy with Govt appointee's favouring the Thoroughbreds. You'd think after all we have been through, and the product continues to grow despite all efforts to discredit, malign Greyhound Racing someone within the PTB would awaken to the fact "If we spent a smidgin of the budget promoting this sport, we may be on a good thing". Yeah I was dreaming.



Ryan Vanderwert
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31 Jul 2017 05:39


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Michael Geraghty wrote:

To get some understanding you should read the last 10 pages of the Qld Grey racing thread.
To get a FULL understanding, you might want to read ALL of it...the whole 600 odd pages.

I'm talking about the actual racetrack, not the probs with the facilities etc.

The thing I like about the track is that it is only one of 2 city tracks in Aus(the other being Wenty), that gives a dog a chance to win from anywhere if they've got ability. Whats considered fair racing for all goes a long way to supporting the integrity of the sport. A track like that is worth keeping.




Terry Jordan
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31 Jul 2017 08:11


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Michael Geraghty wrote:

Terry Jordan wrote:

Michael Geraghty wrote:

Albion Park Greyhounds will be no more unless God intervenes.


YOU CALLED ME MICHAEL! WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU MY SON?

I want an ARK please. Enough room to house my doggies, enough food and beverages to last until the next life.
I would like you to then open the skies and let it pour until the cleansing is complete.
Then start again and GET IT RIGHT, because you stuffed up this chapter.

Oh, I forgot...can I please have 2 Thai princesses to have as company, please?
An ark can be a lonely and confusing place sometimes.


GOD: Here Michael, Yes I apologise unreservedly for my mistakes.
Firstly: The rib I used from Adam, was obviously Cancerous or Fractured. (See the results)
Michael you need to build your own ARK! (Or use "Work for the Dole Participants") Good luck there.
Now Michael over thousands of years, and thousands of Ark's being built. No ones Built one BIG enough for 2 "WOMEN TO CO-HABITATE HAPPILY". Scrap that idea! (Go with the Latex-Rubber alternative) Mal Cuneo will give you advise if you go that ROUTE!
The Rains are coming.......Start The Building

Now RQ: Michael cant help you there! These people (RQ) Sold their Souls to the Devil many years ago. Full of Corruption, Graft, Collusion, now all engraved and endemic beyond even GOD!
Beware of the Sale of Albion Park!(Akin to a Pack of Crocs ready to gnaw on the Arse of a Wildebeest)or Greyhound.

BTW. Please apologise to the good of people NSW as I never meant to Impregnate QLD with so many Champions. Lewis,Meninga,Lockyer,Langer,Myles,Smith,Cronk,Thurston,Scott,Slater,Shearer,Boyd,Beetson and 200 others Yes Michael I stuffed up! GOD


Patrick D'Arcy
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31 Jul 2017 10:26


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Terry Jordan wrote:

Back on Topic, just read this months "Chase" paper, page 47!
Qld breeding stats- June2017 4 LITTERS! ONLY! producing 20 pups

Can the PTB at RQ read? and get of their Sofa's and start working to get this Industry back on track!


Back on topic.... I'm pleased to say that one of those litters was mine. Still I intend to sell some at a realistic price


Bruce Teague
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Ryan and a few others,

1. Breeding. Please consider the big picture. What happens in a short period or in one geographical area is small beer. It is a national deal and so assessments should be done on a national basis. That involved long term modest decline plus some risk of further decline due to current crises.

2. Burn One Down. Great that someone finally commented but they did not present the right picture. First, the dog ran a record LAW gutbuster at Sale. Second, an very ordinary slowish second place at Sandown. Third, a better and somewhat quicker run at Sandown, but not in great time. Conclusion - it had not recovered by the first Sandown race and still has some way to go judging by the latest run (much as Thompson said). And the opposition was fairly ordinary, as is the case with most staying races these days (albeit Qld has shown some improvement if not consistency).

3. That proposed Tweed move was pushed by the NSW CEO and (allegedly the) board in what must rank as the greatest waste of space ever seen in greyhound administration. It was never a goer due to umpteen state and federal laws, including the constitution, to say nothing about contractual obligations to TABs. Totally incompetent.

4. Good luck to Ryan but Albion and Ipswich tracks have serious faults which add possibly 10-20% to betting "costs", thereby making them losers. BGC - the first turn disrupts many runners because some can't hold to a consistent line and run off; the home turn is too flat because builders got the levels wrong (331m and 710m runners are affected too). Plus, from box 1 at the 600m start you are looking not at the track but pointed directly into the rail. The red dog has to first turn right. At Ipswich I have been advocating for 15-20 years for a move of the 431m start to a straightaway 400m going down the back straight - via formal letters and in many articles. All ignored. But that's also why many 520m dogs run off (ditto for Richmond).

5. I can't claim any expertise on bunnies/skins/bits of fluff but I would make the point that WDA and others were simply pointing out that there are options about both lures and early education. There are areas where greyhound knowledge is helpful but there are areas where broader experience in animals may be of help, too. Closing your mind to those will never progress the industry and it will certainly harm the PR image. Having said all that, my interpretation is that administrators may have gone too far or too literally in framing the detail of new laws. Even so, they did have a PR problem to handle. Anyway, it's done, so suck it up.

6. Someone mentioned marketing. Observations suggest that no-one in Qld can spell the word. Werunasone anyone? Oh, for a Flying Amy bus or two!





Ryan Vanderwert
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01 Aug 2017 04:15


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Bruce Teague wrote:

4. Good luck to Ryan but Albion and Ipswich tracks have serious faults which add possibly 10-20% to betting "costs", thereby making them losers. BGC - the first turn disrupts many runners because some can't hold to a consistent line and run off; the home turn is too flat because builders got the levels wrong (331m and 710m runners are affected too). Plus, from box 1 at the 600m start you are looking not at the track but pointed directly into the rail. The red dog has to first turn right. At Ipswich I have been advocating for 15-20 years for a move of the 431m start to a straightaway 400m going down the back straight - via formal letters and in many articles. All ignored. But that's also why many 520m dogs run off (ditto for Richmond).

I cant agree with this assessment of Albion Bruce. Not saying your figs are incorrect however there are dogs at the first turn at Albion who scoot around the outside consistently, just as there are dogs that accelerate off the inside and the centre of the track, same on the home turn. Now I'm not necessarily saying the track doesn't need getting used to for dogs that haven't been there...........what I am saying tho is that it's a fair track where every dog gets it's chance to win the race if good enuf, and that goes a long way to establishing integrity.

Many tracks statewide nowadays cater to leaders far too much. The tracks which have the new extended arm lure has ensured this to be the case for the future............result punters gone!

The bottom line is ANYONE that has a bet or provides the entertainment(dogs,horses,etc.), wants to have a fair chance to win. Even the mug punter nowadays doesn't take long to evaluate the situation and if any form of bias(and that's the key word), whether it be a movable running rail in horse racing, track bias if it's continual, or extended lure arm.........will almost completely shut up shop or move to another medium and be lost for the day or more permanently to the industry if the bias continues.

Anyone who races or bets doesn't want bias and no bias is the key to establishing integrity. The Albion track for whatever design faults you say it may have, doesn't have bias that can't be overcome. That's one of the main keys to maintaining/establishing integrity imo. cheers.


Michael Geraghty
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01 Aug 2017 09:58


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Terry Jordan wrote:

Michael Geraghty wrote:

Terry Jordan wrote:

Michael Geraghty wrote:

Albion Park Greyhounds will be no more unless God intervenes.


YOU CALLED ME MICHAEL! WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU MY SON?

I want an ARK please. Enough room to house my doggies, enough food and beverages to last until the next life.
I would like you to then open the skies and let it pour until the cleansing is complete.
Then start again and GET IT RIGHT, because you stuffed up this chapter.

Oh, I forgot...can I please have 2 Thai princesses to have as company, please?
An ark can be a lonely and confusing place sometimes.


GOD: Here Michael, Yes I apologise unreservedly for my mistakes.
Firstly: The rib I used from Adam, was obviously Cancerous or Fractured. (See the results)
Michael you need to build your own ARK! (Or use "Work for the Dole Participants") Good luck there.
Now Michael over thousands of years, and thousands of Ark's being built. No ones Built one BIG enough for 2 "WOMEN TO CO-HABITATE HAPPILY". Scrap that idea! (Go with the Latex-Rubber alternative) Mal Cuneo will give you advise if you go that ROUTE!
The Rains are coming.......Start The Building

Now RQ: Michael cant help you there! These people (RQ) Sold their Souls to the Devil many years ago. Full of Corruption, Graft, Collusion, now all engraved and endemic beyond even GOD!
Beware of the Sale of Albion Park!(Akin to a Pack of Crocs ready to gnaw on the Arse of a Wildebeest)or Greyhound.

BTW. Please apologise to the good of people NSW as I never meant to Impregnate QLD with so many Champions. Lewis,Meninga,Lockyer,Langer,Myles,Smith,Cronk,Thurston,Scott,Slater,Shearer,Boyd,Beetson and 200 others Yes Michael I stuffed up! GOD

Funny guy, God.
There is no reason to apologise for creating a perfect cockroach steamroller.
Always wondered why Cuneo smelt like rubber...thought he was just a hoon.

I see Albion Weds have 6 races with no reserves and 2 races with just one.
That's a little scary.



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Ipswich Saturday 4 races NO reserves.

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