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Wayne Garner Australia (Verified User) Posts 743 Dogs 26 / Races 16 20 Feb 2022 01:34
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Every one has there own theories Ryan Every one can justify why such breeding produces the good ones but never mention why the slow ones in a litter are slow
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5958 Dogs 8 / Races 0 20 Feb 2022 03:23
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Wayne Garner wrote:
Every one has there own theories Ryan......
And that's fine too Wayne but most won't be able to explain why their theories work and that's what's important, as when you know that then you can apply those theories with a real purpose.
Wayne Garner Australia (Verified User) Posts 743 Dogs 26 / Races 16 20 Feb 2022 04:12
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One thing I agree on is yes when kB goes over a temper sire line he clicked Out of his top 100 offspring 50%. Carry the yeah honcho brother fox blood in the same Now is that the temlee or other blood that's clicked
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5958 Dogs 8 / Races 0 20 Feb 2022 05:30
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What 'other blood' is there with an outcross ? There's usually very little cross duplication on the front page.
Now I'm not saying it's a Temlee sireline either as the x path theory I'm interested in means the properties in Temlee's x chromosome cant pass through 2 males in any pedigree consecutively. It's not genetically possible. So Temlee is likely to be present as a damsire somewhere in the pedigree. Thats for the x path theory to work.
You maybe able to formulate your own sireline theory but (apart from the statistical data), you wld also need to back it up by having genetical or theoretical reasons as to why it works. Cheers.
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 20 Feb 2022 13:30
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It's clear as day. Obviously if Max Moss was in the Y path rather than the X, KB would have been a failure in Australia. I can't believe you can't see that.
Wayne Garner Australia (Verified User) Posts 743 Dogs 26 / Races 16 20 Feb 2022 16:57
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Paul Dicks wrote:
It's clear as day. Obviously if Max Moss was in the Y path rather than the X, KB would have been a failure in Australia. I can't believe you can't see that.
I tried to borrow sandro's old reading glasses but he wouldn't let me I might have got the X n y mixed up with the bs path.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 22 Feb 2022 21:17
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Non-commercial KB sires fastest round 1 winner of Group 1 Juvenile Classic in Ireland. Maybe look at the entire pedigree and also what the dam carries, not just the sire line!
Cabra Dancer duplicated, also duplicates Spiral Nikita and Staplers Jo, the two leading duplications in Ireland the past 10-15 years.
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5958 Dogs 8 / Races 0 23 Feb 2022 01:05
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Darren Leeson wrote:
Non-commercial KB sires fastest round 1 winner of Group 1 Juvenile Classic in Ireland. Maybe look at the entire pedigree and also what the dam carries, not just the sire line!
I did state that in my original statement Darren:
Ryan Vanderwert wrote:
.....The main way a son of Kinloch Brae is likely to be a top stud here is if his dam nicks with brood bitch lines such as Chloe Allen(Fernando Bale's dam) does with both Bombastic Shiraz and Brett Lee amongst others for example, OR as Kinloch Brae as a dam sire.....
It's just that if people are wanting a son of Kinloch to bring what Kinloch himself brought to the table as a stud, it's likely genetically not possible if it's Max Moss' x chromosome that is needed.
Remember 7 out of KB's 10 top offspring at one stage on g/data are through 2 males in Max Moss & Mister Moss in x, both being sons of Which Chariot/Elsie Moss. Cheers.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 23 Feb 2022 04:48
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Spot on Ryan, it will always be from top to bottom of the pedigree. Getting carried away with a sire line, when itll have as much to do with what the dam carries!
Nothing wrong with Max Moss sitting out of the x-path - EXTERNAL LINK
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 23 Feb 2022 15:27
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Pity this Fernando Bales sons has been hijacked by the usual suspects. Let's get back on topic. I noticed FB's win rate hasn't been as outstanding as it was. The I looked back back a generation only to find he has his sons and daughters coming through and continuing the dynasty.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 23 Feb 2022 23:14
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One Ive been interested in, has started nicely. From basically very little opportunity.
Great example, as good as her brood lines are and play their part, no question Fernando has elevated Amron Boys pedigree! Kudos to the breeder ripping good pedigree! Especially when the brood only won 5/62
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5958 Dogs 8 / Races 0 27 Feb 2022 12:30
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if you mirror Amron Boy's ped https:/ CLICK HERE i.e., put Miami Fernando's brother over Zambora Brockie's sister the nick between 2nd dam Chloe Allen and Trendy Leigh https:/ CLICK HERE becomes apparent from a linebreeding perspective. It ends up being that Chloe Allen carries individuals in her pedigree that are duplicated in Trendy Leigh's pedigree at approx 94% within 6 gens. Happy to explain the nos if someone wants me to go into detail.
I realise it can be complex but if you can follow the thought process, it's just Tesio all over again - reintroducing an extremely high percentage of Trendy Leigh thru different individuals into the same line Trendy Leigh was successful with previously resulting in stayer Shireen's Habit https:/ CLICK HERE .
It can be a great way to linebreed strength and Amron Boy has plenty of it. Cheers.
John Tierney Ireland (Verified User) Posts 169 Dogs 7 / Races 0 27 Feb 2022 16:50
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Darren Leeson wrote:
Non-commercial KB sires fastest round 1 winner of Group 1 Juvenile Classic in Ireland. Maybe look at the entire pedigree and also what the dam carries, not just the sire line!
Cabra Dancer duplicated, also duplicates Spiral Nikita and Staplers Jo, the two leading duplications in Ireland the past Magical Flyer - EXTERNAL LINK
And Molotov and follow through in the x path for good measure (dreamy blossom,paddy whacker etc)
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 15 Mar 2022 08:04
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Welcome to stud duties KOBLENZ Melbourne Cup winner bred in the purple 40 races with 24 wins.
https:/ CLICK HERE Any predictions what dams he will suit ?
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4498 Dogs 70 / Races 14 15 Mar 2022 08:41
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50% import blood should suit most bitches ! Fernando x Barcia Bitches is kicking arse, sons of Fernando x Barcia Bitches should work also.
Steve Harvey Australia (Verified User) Posts 1175 Dogs 0 / Races 0 15 Mar 2022 10:49
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Graham Moscow wrote:
Welcome to stud duties KOBLENZ Melbourne Cup winner bred in the purple 40 races with 24 wins.
https:/ CLICK HERE Any predictions what dams he will suit ?
Fabregas bitches could suit alright. Fabregas is a well proven cross to Fernando Bale & add in the blend of UK/IRE bloodlines with Koblenz's strains that might prove to work well I reckon. If the bitch has a Brother Fox influence within her maternal lines even better. Just my opinion but.
Steve Harvey Australia (Verified User) Posts 1175 Dogs 0 / Races 0 15 Mar 2022 16:37
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Lets be honest. Pretty soon there will still be stud K9s but no breeders around to use them. So many folks including our family have left the breeding industry. The powers that be need a big wake up call in my opinion.
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