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Nathan Bendeich Australia (Verified User) Posts 1225 Dogs 13 / Races 0 21 Dec 2020 01:39
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Its very concerning at the end of the day
The rot in this sport needs to stop , but it wont , and its always the little fella that cops the wrong end
It seems the bigger the name , the bigger the hush hush
How about implementing senses on the arm to a set distance of 10 metres ? Or in this day and age is that too far out and unimaginable?
No more corruption..... oops cant have that
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 21 Dec 2020 04:49
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No other race on the day was affected by the issue of the lure. Phew ! Great to see.
Valerie Glover Australia (Verified User) Posts 239 Dogs 2 / Races 0 21 Dec 2020 05:10
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Mark you have been down there a bit, is it a new type electric motor, just asking? I truly hope the bitch comes through it all for all , saving her for a future is what we all hope for, As with GRNSW paying for the injury there is still a question mark over this? ? I have heard two sides plus more of what can come of their paying for injuries ,so might be able to keep it as a see what happen ?? But just for the record more so I think it is GWIC that should be to answer some of the connection's questions ,on a few of these points ,as well ,they are trying to handle things at the moment,worth a question to them, Bob Glover
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 21 Dec 2020 08:19
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Nothing worse than seeing your hard-earnt & a greyhounds welfare get wasted through somebody else's error.
If it was a simple error in judgement or mechanical failure I can live with it. Nobody is perfect.
It all comes down to the experience & reputation of the driver on the day. That's where the answer lies to my observation above.
Can somebody answer them?
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 21 Dec 2020 23:19
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Hi Bob, No I havent been there and wouldnt know if its the old style petrol or new style electric... I will write this, it would be hard to negate power failure so it will remain a mystery. Other factors might make it suspicious so it will be interesting to see how wide the investigation will start, but it might be short and sweet and completed quickly. I read nothing of the vocal crowd e.g. abuse, in stewards report. I hope dog / bitch is treated well n makes a full recovery.
Graham Sheather Australia (Verified User) Posts 4867 Dogs 2 / Races 3 22 Dec 2020 01:27
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Mark Donohue wrote:
Hi Bob, No I havent been there and wouldnt know if its the old style petrol or new style electric... I will write this, it would be hard to negate power failure so it will remain a mystery. Other factors might make it suspicious so it will be interesting to see how wide the investigation will start, but it might be short and sweet and completed quickly. I read nothing of the vocal crowd e.g. abuse, in stewards report. I hope dog / bitch is treated well n makes a full recovery.
Petrol V8
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 22 Dec 2020 02:44
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I believe lure is supposed to be between 2m to 8m from leading dog.
On MNC Ive had to ask the steward only once to keep an eye on how far the lure was (about 12m) from the leading dog and it was quickly resolved. We tend to watch the dogs and not the lure, and most lures for majority of race in NSW at least, are not in the video replay.
I was not at a meeting once in the last couple of years, when the lure driver allegedly dropped the lure to the leading dogs nose (within a metre) which allowed another dog on inside to sneak up on inside and win. Its rare, but it happens. Im not suggesting anything untoward at Young.
Valerie Glover Australia (Verified User) Posts 239 Dogs 2 / Races 0 22 Dec 2020 03:27
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Hi Mark, Bob here again, maybe you just had a typing era ,the required distance is expected to be between 5to 8 mtrs , yes there is always a chance of either human, or mechanical era, which can cause difference ,but like all things ,some times we have no control of what happens,without any malpractice intended ?? I can tell you it is the most abused position on the race track, because of the great speed and acceleration of the greyhounds, and there are different grades/classes at each race meet,along with trial days, were things can make a hare driver look real bad at times, pups one minute ,and in blink of the eye you could have a near record holder behind the lure, without a race book to know what to expect, sends a man to drink at times Eh ?? word tells me we are about to have another motor type coming to our country, just to confuse us more ?? Bob Glover
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 22 Dec 2020 04:38
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Yes Bob.... you are correct I.e. not less 5m and no more than 8m - R55.
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 22 Dec 2020 08:15
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Surely in these days of modern technology, they would have an automatic system that keeps the lure that 6-8 metres away from the lead dog. As an industry we really haven't moved with the times very well.
For that matter, I really can't think of any major advancements in the game for the 3+ decades I've been in the game.
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 22 Dec 2020 10:59
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commonsense would tell anyone with half a brain that the lure carriage should be running on the inside of the rail ,
and the lure being something flexible like a rubber arm extended from inside to outside , lure carriage stops, malfunction. idiot operator . etc ,
the dogs crash into it no harm done , probably too simple and couldn't be implemented
we had a bitch met the same fate at shepperton a few years ago , never raced again
Valerie Glover Australia (Verified User) Posts 239 Dogs 2 / Races 0 22 Dec 2020 19:54
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Michael you are so right, we have gone with the times at all, have we ,, in fact backwards in a lot of ways to say the least ? Batteries have come a long way, we have drones that carry people into the air, Here at Taree we had a lure running on two small battery's driven by remote 40 yrs ago . Smaller carriage no cable worries, times have come along way, but unfortunately the powers don't listen, and don't want too! Bob Glover
Robert Conway Australia (Verified User) Posts 462 Dogs 4 / Races 0 22 Dec 2020 20:22
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hi bob battery lures have their use but do not have the power for finish on grab . i think one of the problems in sa with their battery lure
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 22 Dec 2020 21:59
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robert conway wrote:
hi bob battery lures have their use but do not have the power for finish on grab . i think one of the problems in sa with their battery lure
Four DEWALT 54V BRUSHLESS ANGLE GRINDER MOTORS.
Could easily drive a fight back lure ..
You could easily set up a AI system that would enable the lure to make its own split decisions within a millisecond accuracy.
You could so easily drive and control that lure in any part of the World today using a laptop as well..
There should not be human errors in 2020 we have the tech to make it so much more safer for all but we refuse to even update the 20 year old websites and the present cable lures ..
Everything could all be changed over to the latest AI technologies for minimum costs to the tracks even the way we see our racing now could be changed to give us DIgital quality vision over head vision it is now endless with Nanocomputers and AI
Greyhound racing could lead the way with all of this new tech for all sports in general
PS If any smart minded Greyhound Club would like to get the latest in AI tech installed at there Clubs then please feel to PM me for more info ...
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 22 Dec 2020 22:12
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Valerie Glover wrote:
Michael you are so right, we have gone with the times at all, have we ,, in fact backwards in a lot of ways to say the least ? Batteries have come a long way, we have drones that carry people into the air, Here at Taree we had a lure running on two small battery's driven by remote 40 yrs ago . Smaller carriage no cable worries, times have come along way, but unfortunately the powers don't listen, and don't want too! Bob Glover
Correct Bob, we had men walking on the moon over 50 years ago , but anything greyhound must live in the flint stone era, nothing can change unless some uni student comes up with some pie in the sky crap ,
we now have battery powered semitrailers on the roads carting 40 ton loads , but no we cant be part of the future ,
the lure systems are so draconian its unbelievable,and should be moved to the museums ,
same goes for the building of new tracks , they simply cant excavate, drain, apply base/ sand , contour, add water , too hard just cant be done , great example is the wetland they are trying to make into a track at traralgon here in vic , this is their second go at it ,, too many experts/come idiots involved in the sport and i cant see anything changing any time soon
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 22 Dec 2020 22:23
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Wentworth Park was originally the Swampy Mouth of the Creek known as Black Wattle or Blackwattle Creek.
David Mennie Australia (Verified User) Posts 657 Dogs 5 / Races 1 22 Dec 2020 23:38
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Update -Bitch has been operated on and pins inserted into a clean break
Both myself and trainer have written to gwic asking for an investigation that was 3 days ago ...neitrher of us have had our emails even acknowledged as yet ?
I was contacted by a lyn from grnsw yesterday ..she assured me that the bitch will receive vet treatment up to 2.5 k allowance and it WIL NOT have to be payed back should she return to racing .
Grant Dunphy Australia (Verified User) Posts 743 Dogs 4 / Races 1 23 Dec 2020 04:17
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David, Lyn(GWIC) is excellant to deal with & will look after all your concerns.Hope your bitch can race again & lose none of her previous promise. I think you should also write to the track secretary & again to GWIC & GRNSW asking for an explanation of what happened. Maybe GBOTA could follow this up as the Owner & Trainers representative.
Graham Sheather Australia (Verified User) Posts 4867 Dogs 2 / Races 3 24 Dec 2020 02:38
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David Mennie wrote:
Update -Bitch has been operated on and pins inserted into a clean break
Both myself and trainer have written to gwic asking for an investigation that was 3 days ago ...neitrher of us have had our emails even acknowledged as yet ?
I was contacted by a lyn from grnsw yesterday ..she assured me that the bitch will receive vet treatment up to 2.5 k allowance and it WIL NOT have to be payed back should she return to racing .
Thats correct.
Graham Sheather Australia (Verified User) Posts 4867 Dogs 2 / Races 3 24 Dec 2020 02:39
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Grant Dunphy wrote:
David, Lyn(GWIC) is excellant to deal with & will look after all your concerns.Hope your bitch can race again & lose none of her previous promise. I think you should also write to the track secretary & again to GWIC & GRNSW asking for an explanation of what happened. Maybe GBOTA could follow this up as the Owner & Trainers representative.
Be flat out finding a track secretary at Young Grant.
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