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Jeff Guy Australia (Verified User) Posts 253 Dogs 10 / Races 118 28 Jan 2022 10:15
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So our Prime Minister Scott Morrison can tease a croc with bait on a stick we call baiting in greyhound racing ..???? You can have Crocodile farms hanging chooks off a stick for 4000 people to take a photo as entertainment ..
F%#& me I give up..!
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Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 28 Jan 2022 21:34
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Its called politics. If they or anyone were serious about animal welfare, theyd have fixed pet ownership a long time ago. Afterall, there are 5 million pet dogs and 4 million pet cats in Australia. The least of the worry is the greyhound industry!!!!!!!
5 million pet dogs are killed on U.S. roads each year alone, not to mention all the others killed. Yet theyve banned Greyhound Racing over there.
As much as it frustrates with all the over-regulation. It makes us untouchable to these knitting circle numbered antis.
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 28 Jan 2022 22:39
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Here in NSW it was the Liberal/National Party in 2016 that banned greyhound racing, only to reinstate it because of political persuasion knowing that they could lose the Seat of Orange in the By-Election, and they did to the SFF Party. In 2019, they lost two more Seats, namely Barwon and Murray to the same party.
Jack Ogilvie Australia (Verified User) Posts 15482 Dogs 0 / Races 1 29 Jan 2022 01:02
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Lets not piss the pm off. .Dont give the antis any thing at all they can hang their hats on. They will be saying things like the greyhound industry are having a go at the pm but they live bait.
Michael Bowerman Australia (Verified User) Posts 4615 Dogs 11 / Races 0 29 Jan 2022 04:07
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for the life of me i cant understand why live baiting is on any body mind these days, when society will not tolerate it.
if you think you cant train a dog without the bait thing , maybe you should go back to the old days, but just remember it a life ban when caught.
live baiting should not even be spoken on any forum or any media site,
Kade Joske Australia (Verified User) Posts 213 Dogs 6 / Races 0 29 Jan 2022 06:45
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Michael I dont think anyone is talking about or condoning live baiting, more the hypocrisy that its ok to tease and feed a crocodile with a DEAD chicken but if you use an Ugg boot as a training tool in greyhounds you get rubbed out for life.
Michael Worth Australia (Verified User) Posts 875 Dogs 2 / Races 0 29 Jan 2022 20:39
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Yes agree Kade, I dont think the banning of live baiting is the issue its the stupid rules that followed such as not being able to use any type of animal fur/skin as a lure but you can proudly wear one around your neck or on your head. I dont believe there would be many if any people in the world waking up wondering who was live baiting today. Just the same as they wouldnt be wondering about the hundreds of other daily issues involving animals. I understand the chicken was dead when fed to the crocodile but how or why did it die to be fed to the crocodile. These type of things happen everyday in many places, generally oblivious to us all unless brought to our attention. I used to hunt rabbits with ferrets as a youngster and chase feral pigs with dogs as a teenager as these animals were seen as pests and cost the government millions of dollars a year to try and keep under control. My job still involves the control and management of feral animals. The mice plague was terrible but theres no backlash about killing millions of these rodents. People are generally happy to poison, drown, trap and eradicate these pests in most ways possible. I guess we will never know what political or financial motivations caused the attempt to ban the industry but I dont believe it was just about live baiting. I also agree with you Michael and believe a pup can be educated from a young age and continued throughout his racing career without it . Not all dogs want to be race dogs as its not all in the legs or the confirmation of a dog its whats between his ears and good trainers can recognise this. Cheers
Jason Bolwell Australia (Verified User) Posts 130 Dogs 44 / Races 1 30 Jan 2022 01:46
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Michael and Michael if you don't think that since animal matter has been taken away from the lure we have incurred more non chasers or lets say less interested dogs then your kidding yourselves. The regulators of the sport should be charged with animal cruelty for causing undue stress on the animal in there attempts to confuse them.
How about we start encouraging the animals natural instincts instead of down playing them and making them pets first.
After all the only reason they are bred in the first place is to race.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 30 Jan 2022 03:10
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Well said Jason! How many pet dogs play tug-o-war with a teddy and shake the living sh@t out of it. With pet owners clueless the dog isnt being cute, but enacting its prey drive! Go watch ratting on you tube to see what natural instinct is going on and being mimicked in a Surry Hills or Newtown terrace.
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 30 Jan 2022 03:46
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Anthropomorphism is just one of the many nails in the greyhound industry coffin.
Jeff Guy Australia (Verified User) Posts 253 Dogs 10 / Races 118 31 Jan 2022 08:49
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Jack Ogilvie wrote:
Lets not piss the pm off. .Dont give the antis any thing at all they can hang their hats on. They will be saying things like the greyhound industry are having a go at the pm but they live bait.
Thats not my point Jack.. Double standards and the elite can do as they please. They are not baiting chooks to kill them off.They are putting feed out to poison rabbits everywhere..fact.!!! Greyhounds will CHASE anything that moves Crocodiles will KILL anything that moves.
Lets not get confused and call a SPADE a SPADE Cheers Jeff
Jeff Guy Australia (Verified User) Posts 253 Dogs 10 / Races 118 31 Jan 2022 08:52
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Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 31 Jan 2022 09:43
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Unfortunately the Australian Liberal Party is now dominated by Uber Christian Politicians who believe they are on a "Mission From God". Baird, Morrison, Perrottet, if this trend continues there will be no reprieve for the Greyhound industry in Australia.
Michael Worth Australia (Verified User) Posts 875 Dogs 2 / Races 0 01 Feb 2022 04:01
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Jason I do agree that there are more non chasers these days but I believe that its because people havent changed their ways ways in rearing and educating greyhounds. I do believe and know for a fact that it can be done very successfully if thought about for individual dogs, started early enough and given plenty of time. If you still want to throw a pup in a yard at four months and pull it out at twelve and expect it to chase anything that moves because its a greyhound then you will be mostly disappointed. Greyhounds can still be educated to chase everything that moves if you have a good think about it. As I said before there will always be the exception of a pup that just doesnt want to cooperate but these pups can be identified early and could be offloaded as a pup early which will cut your costs. However theres also the case that a pup at four months that has no interest could also change at twelve. Most pups Ive seen that have been given every opportunity and still have no interest as a young pup usually always have issues. This is just my opinion. Cheers
Steve Harvey Australia (Verified User) Posts 1175 Dogs 0 / Races 0 01 Feb 2022 10:35
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Jason Bolwell wrote:
Michael and Michael if you don't think that since animal matter has been taken away from the lure we have incurred more non chasers or lets say less interested dogs then your kidding yourselves. The regulators of the sport should be charged with animal cruelty for causing undue stress on the animal in there attempts to confuse them.
How about we start encouraging the animals natural instincts instead of down playing them and making them pets first.
After all the only reason they are bred in the first place is to race.
I like your style Jason ! You are right ! Training a greyhound like a domestic pet is not the way to train if you want to be consistently successful. Greyhounds were initially used as hunters by all people that used to have the privilege of owning 1 & I'm going back in ancient history here not just back to when only kings ,queens & noblemen had them & slept in their quarters after a days hunting. The breed is pure & is pretty much unchanged since creation. So chasing is their most primal instinct & trait being a sight hound. Maybe live baiting is unacceptable , but really , whats wrong with putting a bunny that is already dead on the arm & let them have a bite ? Breaking them in chasing car seat covers ! Ha What a joke ! I KNOW anti's & the like will ALWAYS scream animal cruelty about the greyhound industry but I bet over 75% of them aren't vegetarians & if they aren't they wouldn't disagree about feeding themselves or their kids on K.F.C or hamburgers , meat is meat isn't it ? Rabbits were declared as vermin as I remember. The instinct of hard chasing trait in the greyhound itself has waned over time & its getting harder & harder to breed greyhounds that are dead set fair dinkum chasers & you only have to look at the quality of the chasing in racing to see that the majority of greyhounds don't chase as hard as they used to 10 years + ago & that's why you only breed with 100% honest chasing bitches not "skunks" cos you have a better chance of producing progeny that are naturals that need less "encouragement" when educating them when they grow to the juvenile pup break in age time frame. I could go on & on but I won't & I don't care if people disagree with where I'm coming from. Just saying that a dead bite on the arm is NOT animal cruelty in my book or cheating & therefore the entire industry should be allowed to do that like they did a little while back for the sake of the breed itself for the future. Just my opinions fellow GDer's.
Grant Dunphy Australia (Verified User) Posts 743 Dogs 4 / Races 1 01 Feb 2022 18:40
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Finish on lure racing is the answer to keeping dogs keen. It works everywhere it is used.NZ-Sth Aust. Nonies & fighters go from Australia with a ticket & win features & group races in NZ. There is no rocket science-they love & need a reward.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 01 Feb 2022 19:21
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Yep, no different to a pet dog chasing a tennis ball or a stick. You see how much harder a pet dog chases when a ball or stick is thrown. Not to mention when they see a live bird or a cat. Im sure they just want to catch up to them for a coffee and a chat....
Our leaders need to start working for this industry! Some sort of artificial reward needs to be available!
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 01 Feb 2022 19:24
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It's a shame that the N.S.W. GBOTA / Dinosaur's consider the FOL a bad look !!! A team of DUD's that have NO F@#%ING IDEA !!!
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 01 Feb 2022 19:36
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Mark Staines wrote:
It's a shame that the N.S.W. GBOTA / Dinosaur's consider the FOL a bad look !!! A team of DUD's that have NO F@#%ING IDEA !!!
Mark
It may not fix every dog but it will help a lot too
Not suggesting for every meeting
50% of meetings at all tracks should be aimed at, in my opinion
I can only speak from sending quite a few to NZ in the past how its helped them out to have far longer careers than what they would have had here
Keeps more dogs racing, can have more racing with less runners per field to keep the TABs happy, also good for welfare and less pressure to breed more dogs leading to less pressure on rehoming agencies
It seems a win-win-win situation to me
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 01 Feb 2022 20:16
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The BAD LOOK is Dogs losing concentration in a race and stuffing other Dogs up !!! Changing rules to allow wayward Dogs to race is a Band Aid solution, the FOL will solve most of these issues and prevent most not all Dogs from being sent to the SIN BIN !!!
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