This dog showed from his 1st start that he was going to be special.

Richie

Can you give me a ring next time you see somthing in a dog that got beaten 13 lengths in his 1st start :-) LOL

Was it in track record time ????????

Interestingly ZZ's run home time was bettered in a reserves trial prior to the 1st race.

The creator of this thread may wish to elaborate for those that haven't seen her two wins at Dapto.

NSW Contenders Primed For Nationals Success
Written by: Jeff Collerson

11/08/13

Wentworth Park

The near track record wins by Zulu Zeus and Smart Valentino in the NSW finals of the National Sprint and Distance Championships at Wentworth Park on Saturday night indicate they will do NSW proud in the Group 1 National Championships at The Meadows on 24 August.

NSW has not won since Smooth Fancy and Blue Lorian won the 2010 Sprint and Distance finals at South Australias Angle Park and before Saturday night the consensus was that the much-vaunted Victorians would take out the big ones, especially given the massive home track advantage.

But Zulu Zeus all the way sprint win in 29.32 was a mere 0.05 wide of Punch One Outs time standard set on 13 March, while Smart Valentinos 720m success in 41.96 was only 0.15 slower than Miatas record run in March 2012.

Zulu Zeus trainer Frank Hurst has no worries about his dog being able to zoom around The Meadows.

"If he can handle Wenty hell handle The Meadows just as well."

But for Smart Valentinos trainer Mark Swift the notion of heading to Melbourne to represent NSW was a somewhat daunting prospect.

"This is all new to me, Mark said after Smart Valentino broke 42 seconds, just as he did when he was trialled over 720m at Wentworth Park before he made his long distance debut at the track.

"Ive got to find somewhere to stay down there but Ellen Dwyer, from the GBOTA, said she knows some people and is going to try and help me out," Mark said.

Apart from Zulu Zeus and Smart Valentino the highlight of Saturday nights Wentworth Park card was provided by a greyhound which did not even race at the meeting.

The unbeaten Paul Wheeler-owned, Chris Nutt-trained Wilma Bale, first reserve in race one, led throughout in a 520m stewards trial, posting splits of 5.59 and 14.06 on the way to a brilliant 29.74 overall time in what was her first look at Wentworth Park.

But it was Wilma Bales run home figures which had the experts gobsmacked.

She rocketed to the finish line in 15.68, which was an astonishing 0.02 faster than Zulu Zeus recorded in the National Sprint.

In what is probably the under-statement of the year, Shaun Evans, who trains alongside Nutt at Paul Wheelers former The Oaks complex, said: "I think we are going to have some fun with this bitch."

"Even now we cant wait to step her up in distance."

Hi Craig.
I thought the track record at DAPTO was 29.51 by "Oh So Smooth" !!!!

Not sure about the Dapto record but at WP its 29.27.

My comment about Dapto referred to Wilma Bale who trialled @ WP last night and her run home time of 15.68 which was also mentioned in the story. She is trained by Chris Nutt and has won both of her career starts at that track.

Haha Sandro,
That's how good a judge I am....lol

I should have worded it better BUT what he was trialling early on he gave all the right indications.

Richie

When it went sand......Yes.

29.29 ---> CLICK HERE
29.28 ---> CLICK HERE
29.25 ---> CLICK HERE
29.23 ---> CLICK HERE
29.20 ---> CLICK HERE
29.19 ---> CLICK HERE

"Ive got to find somewhere to stay down there but Ellen Dwyer, from the GBOTA, said she knows some people and is going to try and help me out," Mark said.

Gees, you would think GRV would find apropiate kennles and lodgings for events such as this (at no cost to the trainer) can anyone tell me if the interstate trainers have to pay thier own way as well?

Cheers
Rich

Cheers

Hi Pat

I didn't say that a close up of Brett Lee was a handicap.

I just don't fully understand the scientific or genetical reasons for the success of 2x3 or 3x2 or even 3x3 matings for that matter.

It sounds too convenient & simplistic as a predictor for success.

After all, if it was that effective for genetic cloning, why isn't this done with humans to produce superior athletes or superior academics.

What makes Punch One Out the freak she is

CLICK HERE
I think the other factors you mentioned are far more important i.e. dams ability, rearing, training etc etc

As far as Zulu Zeus is concerned, he comes from a great female family, he is by a top sire, he would have been reared expertly and looked after well and reared effectively from birth tight through to this point

Given his genetic pattern I would think he is ripe for US/Irish outcross bitches

Absolutely no difference in breeding pattern with Temlee (Amerigo Man/Ginger/New Tears) and Brett Lee with ZZ. Both breeding patterns are in xy to Temlee and Brett Lee respectively. That does not mean every 3 x 2 and 2 x 3 are in an xy breeding pattern.

Punch One Out is bred along the lines of Edie Beauchamp where Knocka Norris is literally a breeding parallel of Token Prince, in that the success of the AM,MP,WS nick with Token Prince and this line is also a major component in Knocka Norris' ped, hence the success with Punch One Out using Knocka Norris over literally the same line.

These two methods of breeding are totally different and I agree it wld be simplistic to look at all breeding patterns in the same light especially if thinking that STP plays as important a genetic role in Punch One Out's ped as Brett Lee does in ZZ's ped & Temlee does likewise in Amerigo Man/Ginger/New Tears peds. cheers.

Both Ryan & Sandro are suggesting that keeping things as simple as possible is too simplistic an answer to all our breeding theory, well I agree & no theory is foolproof but keeping things as simple as possible if done correctly will get you good results.

Pedigree of course is important but not all important.
As far as influence goes the first 4 removes are what really count 25% of influence being lost in each generation.

So pedigree is just one component of the big picture, the trick being ones ability to put together the remaining parts of the puzzle in their most advantaged configuration.

Cheers